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Buckeye86 said:
Three things:

1) I think it's pretty clear Meyer was having problems in his last few years at Florida. His priorities were so focused on winning his health deteriorated and he brought in some bad character guys who misbehaved in some serious ways.

2) Blaming Meyer for the problems currently ongoing at Florida is stupid and misplaced.

3) It is possible to recognize 1 and 2 simultaneously without contradicting yourself.
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4) questioning the motives of a UF journalism grad, that doesn't even cover college football for ESPN anymore, to randomly write a rehash article of events 5 years gone by is totally reasonable.
 
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BigWoof31 said:
5). The thing that isn't being mentioned here is that coaches change too. It's not just players who adjust, correct and develop - coaches do it as well.
I still hate his ass, but you'd be crazy to suggest he hasn't totally changed his approach to being the CEO of a program.
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This. Meyer had a thug problem. He made mistakes in recruiting and in how he attempted to deal with it (i.e. "leadership circles") once the problems arose on campus. It was his first big-time job, and I think he was unprepared for certain aspects of it. I think that his outlook and approach to dealing with problems has fundamentally changed at Ohio State as we saw with the Roby and Hyde situations.

I also think that Florida has a bit of an institutional problem regardless of who the coach is. They had a lawless image before Urban, during Urban and now after Urban. That tells me that Urban was not the decisive variable in their thug problem.
 
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Mike80 said:
As this thread wasn't going in 2009/2010, no, they weren't :wink:

It's now been 5 full years since UFM left Florida. Whatever his issues there, that's more than enough time for the 'new' and 'newest' coaching staff to have implemented their system. Blaming failure on the last successful coach is a good way for the failure to continue (see: scUM, 2008-Present)
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So it's Ty Willingham's fault?
 
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Mike80 said:
As this thread wasn't going in 2009/2010, no, they weren't :wink:

It's now been 5 full years since UFM left Florida. Whatever his issues there, that's more than enough time for the 'new' and 'newest' coaching staff to have implemented their system. Blaming failure on the last successful coach is a good way for the failure to continue (see: scUM, 2008-Present)
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Fine, it was the Urban Meyer thread.

Puts a pin in my entire point I guess.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
This. Meyer had a thug problem. He made mistakes in recruiting and in how he attempted to deal with it (i.e. "leadership circles") once the problems arose on campus. It was his first big-time job, and I think he was unprepared for certain aspects of it. I think that his outlook and approach to dealing with problems has fundamentally changed at Ohio State as we saw with the Roby and Hyde situations.

I also think that Florida has a bit of an institutional problem regardless of who the coach is. They had a lawless image before Urban, during Urban and now after Urban. That tells me that Urban was not the decisive variable in their thug problem.
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A lot of SEC schools have this problem.
 
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matcar said:
It's not just an SEC problem. You ever heard of a coach named Paterno who handled all his problems internally. As if cleaning bleachers was enough... And seems like there was a Sandusky guy there as well. Oh, and then there is Aqua Velva Dumpster Fire.

This [Mark May] is all over the place.
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Yeah, but to my knowledge, Paterno did not take people that got kicked out of other schools, like the SEC teams tend to do. They don't even hide it. I'm talking about a thug problem, not a pedo problem.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Yeah, but to my knowledge, Paterno did not take people that got kicked out of other schools, like the SEC teams tend to do. They don't even hide it. I'm talking about a thug problem, not a pedo problem.
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Paterno had thugs. We had a few run ins with the law too in JTs early years. Baylor is the team currently under scrutiny for bringing in a thug. It's not an SEC problem, it's in many places.
 
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I think this guy is a fantastic writer. I fully encourage him to spend the next 15-20 years blaming Urban for all of the problems at Florida. I hope that those involved with the gators program read his stories and realize it's not their fault, and there isn't really anything they can do to correct it. The thought of this guy or any other gator fan getting a bad taste in their mouths every time two 2 TWO national championships are brought up is fine with me.
 
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Dryden said:
Meyer did not run the most renegade program in college football. Hell, he didn't have the worst program in his own conference division. ESPN never brings up Spurrier's 38 player arrests at South Carolina from 2005-2010. [source]
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So we can postulate from this that Spurrier was responsible for the renegade atmosphere that Meijer inherited at Florida.....8D
 
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matcar said:
Paterno had thugs. We had a few run ins with the law too in JTs early years. Baylor is the team currently under scrutiny for bringing in a thug. It's not an SEC problem, it's in many places.
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And I did not say that it was just an SEC problem. I said that "a lot of SEC schools have this problem," so I'm not sure what the fuck Baylor or Ohio State has to do with it.
 
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