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If James Franklin turns in the exact same results at usc, they'll keep them for 10 to 20 years.
At Penn State there's an ambivalence about his performance.
At usc, you can recruit a five-star quarterback within the city limits many years. You have to battle zero to one and a half programs on the west coast for your talent. UCLA just refuses to field the confident football team or try. Oregon has thrown tons of money at it but in the end Penn State seems to be their ceiling as a program, and not the pre b1g version.
Pollsters would also love for a West Coast team to be relevant with that much history.
You can certainly have a lot of conversations about why it's been difficult for anybody to sustain success there, but a top-notch coach would absolutely dominate with such a layup when it comes to thin competition for talent and wins on the field amongst West Coast teams.
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My point is, he's not going from being a DC at one power school to another at the same position. He's not going from UC to OSU, UC to ND, Purdue to OSU. ND and OSU are seen on equal footing to many coaches.
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ND and OSU are not similar jobs for Marcus Freeman to take as a head coach.
Marcus also wouldn't move from psu to OSU as a DC. That doesn't make them equals.
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I was saying Purdue, not PSU. And no, Freeman wouldn't move from PSU to OSU, as a DC. Just like he wouldn't take the same position with OSU.
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I know you didn't say that. I'm saying it. I'm using two very inequal programs, Penn State and Ohio state, to point out that despite their disparity, Marcus still wouldn't switch between them as a defensive coordinator on the verge of a serious promotion. Your logic is severely flawed.
Marcus would be risking his entire future over an uncertain change to a new program. And as a defensive coordinator, there's not a giant difference between Ohio State and Penn State. There's a monumental one when it comes to being the head coach of the program which is what's being discussed here (PSU, USC, ND, OSU).
He absolutely would take Ohio State over Penn State every day of the week, and not because of his background.
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Bingo. Just as Penn State has kept Franklin at PSU for eight years and would keep him there as long as he kept them competing for division/conference titles, USC would do them same if he lead USC to 10+ win seasons every other year.
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It sounds like we're saying the same thing! I think USC is a much better job than Ped St, and was referring to Franklin taking that job, not Freeman. I also agree that the talent in CA is better and makes for a better coaching experience, if the right coach can get it reeled in and on track. But the HCs they have had, have been mediocre to bad. Franklin would be their best hire since Carrol.
I never mentioned Freeman to Ped St, until you did. I just didn't see why so many OSU fans think he's suddenly coming back to replace Coombs because he's an alum. If he wanted the OSU job so bad, he would've taken it instead of ND. My argument has been that being a DC at OSU is similar to being one at ND(and even Ped St). I never brought up Freeman as a HC, only by stating that the only way we'd see Freeman at OSU, is to fill a HC vacancy.
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Penn State fans are a little more anxious because they believe they are a top five program that was held back by things beyond their control. Most USC fans don't know the starting running back.
I'd say the bar is a lot lower in California, and not just because of how it's gone every time besides Pete Carroll.
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Yes, really
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikebe...tflanks-lsu-and-gets-its-man/?sh=69a4e6752a3b
Freeman makes $1.6m/yr and Kerry Coombs makes $1.4/yr
My quote that you mention is in reference to Marcus Freeman leaving from ND for OSU. And me saying that it'd be a lateral move. Those salaries makes my point. I mentioned nothing about HC salaries
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That’s not what you said, not even close. You said “offer coaches equal compensation” which is clearly false. Kelly has to take 80% less than Saban just to keep a few good coaches around. Overall, ND has never paid assistants market value. That’s why they lose so many. Tommy Rees makes under $700k as their OC and he’s a Broyle’s award finalist. Kevin Wilson makes double that.
Lateral move #1.
https://www.uhnd.com/football/2015/02/07/tony-alford-leaving-notre-dame-ohio-state-19434/
Lateral moves #2 and #3.
https://irish.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/warinner-and-hinton-leave-as-coaching-staff-shakes-up/
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Moving them goalposts I see...
If you read the post that you quoted, I specifically was talking about Freeman and the DC position. I was not talking about HCs. And they're obviously paying Freeman market value if he's earning $1.6m, which is $200,000 more than what Coombs is making and on par with CFB's best DCs. And using Rees as an example is just ridiculous! He's been coaching for 6yrs, and Wilson has been coaching longer than he's been alive. Freeman has an 11yr coaching career and has had an upward trajectory, he's not leaving one school as a coordinator to be another school's coordinator. Your points are lost.
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