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Cleveland Browns (2018 Season The NFL is Sorry)

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tsteele316 said:
here's the thing, if you look at the number of turnovers for each qb by the number of total passing and rushing attempts for each qb, those turnover ratios are not much different at all.

so, for all the people complaining about darnold's turnovers really don't have that much of a leg to stand on.
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I am not basing what I said on my opinion but what everyone (in general) is saying. Honestly I have bounced back and forth between my preference for #1 overall. Darnold and Barkley. Based on the Browns not drafting smartly at QB in recent memory further down in the draft, you have to select YOUR QB at #1 which IMO is Darnold. Now if both Chubb and Barkley are sitting at #4, then you might have a dilemma. Based on position depth in the draft, edge rusher (ideal compliment to Garrett) or running back (possible franchise player). I think you can go edge rusher at 4 and take Guice, Michel, Chubb, or RJII in that order early in the 2nd.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
People who know a few weeks ago were saying it was definitely Darnold. Now they're saying Allen. If this weren't the Browns, I'd feel pretty good about it actually being the best QB of the bunch in Rosen.
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Oh, its all misdirection now. Giants are saying they don't like Rosen and only like Darnold. They both, in my IMO are trying to set the bottom of Darnolds market at #2. In other words, the Giants have an interest in getting massive amounts of return for the 2. The Browns, have an interest, perhaps, in having QB's off the board at 1-2-3 thus leaving only 1 (of the "Big 4") available at 4 for a possible trade back, OR the position player of their choice, and thus leaving Chubb on the board. Obviously, I'm repeating myself but the Bills are the team you want to bilk here, and obviously the Giants are in a better position to do that.

I do want to say, I do like Fitzpatrick, Barkley and Ward. But... I don't like them precisely at 4. If you think Fitzpatrick is Ed Reed, then by all means, do not hesitate. I just don't know that they think that, and again, I don't think he's a top 5 pick as a CB. Just a big pick for a Safety. Big pick for a RB, we've been through that. And I think its a touch high for Ward, no knock on him. Chubb is the best value there, and might also be the best player.

To your point, Rosen is the best thrower of the football... maybe not the best QB. Who the fuck really knows. Goff was the best thrower 2 years ago, and he's been ok, finally. Certainly both better throwers than say, DeShaun Watson, who, btw, threw a metric shit ton of picks at Clemson. I'm not Nostradamus but, I still think the smart money for the pick and the smart money for the best upside is Darnold.
 
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ArmyVet83 said:
I am not basing what I said on my opinion but what everyone (in general) is saying. Honestly I have bounced back and forth between my preference for #1 overall. Darnold and Barkley. Based on the Browns not drafting smartly at QB in recent memory further down in the draft, you have to select YOUR QB at #1 which IMO is Darnold. Now if both Chubb and Barkley are sitting at #4, then you might have a dilemma. Based on position depth in the draft, edge rusher (ideal compliment to Garrett) or running back (possible franchise player). I think you can go edge rusher at 4 and take Guice, Michel, Chubb, or RJII in that order early in the 2nd.
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not saying you directly. but there are just so many false narratives that get repeated over and over again. this is one of them.
just like allen's offensive system hurting his completion % when he threw more short passes than the other qbs in this class, or allen's surrounding talent hurting him when several qb's had higher drop rates from wrs than he did. or baker mayfield constantly throwing to wide open guys, when the yardage of separation metrics say otherwise.

bottom line, take your qb at #1 and be done with it.
 
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I didn't stick with these assholes after watching them take Manziel, Gilbert, Erving, Corey Coleman, go 1-15, take Peppers only to follow it up with 0-16 just to see them draft Allen, Barkley or Mayfield anywhere in the 1st.

I won't be happy with Darnold but i won't flip a chair over it like how obviously trash Weedster and John boy were going to be.

Take Rosen, then get Chubb or Ward unless you feel you can trade down a couple spots and still secure the latter. Then address RB (Michel), WR and OT at the top of the 2nd. Everything after is gravy with me. But if it's Allen I'm checking the fuck out until I see he's either out of the NFL or a superstar - no where in between.
 
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My thinking is that if there was some super obvious #1 QB (a Luck, Newton, Stafford,, Manning, etc.), or the Browns didn't have another pick at #4, I would get the "you have to take a QB at #1" position. But I see there being 3, potentially 4 "#1 QB's" in Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield. Each has upside and downside, but I just don't see a big difference in the boom or bust with those 4 personally. And with a pick at #4, at least two of those guys will be there still. On the other hand, I see Barkley as far and above the best RB in the draft that is also capable of flexing out regularly to catch the ball. I think he is the best/most exciting player in the draft and I think that is what you take if you are in Cleveland's position at #1.

Personally, I think Rosen is the best QB in the draft but also agree it is not a good idea for Cleveland to take him and it won't happen (unless maybe at #4 to trade him to a team desperate for a QB). And I think Rosen will go #2 or #3 to a NY team, so no worries there. Then likely Darnold but either way, two of Darnold/Mayfield/Allen will likely be available at #4 if the Browns go another position at #1 imo.
 
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RB07OSU said:
My thinking is that if there was some super obvious #1 QB (a Luck, Newton, Stafford,, Manning, etc.), or the Browns didn't have another pick at #4, I would get the "you have to take a QB at #1" position. But I see there being 3, potentially 4 "#1 QB's" in Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield. Each has upside and downside, but I just don't see a big difference in the boom or bust with those 4 personally. And with a pick at #4, at least two of those guys will be there still. On the other hand, I see Barkley as far and above the best RB in the draft that is also capable of flexing out regularly to catch the ball. I think he is the best/most exciting player in the draft and I think that is what you take if you are in Cleveland's position at #1.

Personally, I think Rosen is the best QB in the draft but also agree it is not a good idea for Cleveland to take him and it won't happen (unless maybe at #4 to trade him to a team desperate for a QB). And I think Rosen will go #2 or #3 to a NY team, so no worries there. Then likely Darnold but either way, two of Darnold/Mayfield/Allen will likely be available at #4 if the Browns go another position at #1 imo.
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You don't let other teams dictate who your future QB is going to be when you have the first pick.
 
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tsteele316 said:
You don't let other teams dictate who your future QB is going to be when you have the first pick.
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That and Barkley isn't as good as the talking heads are playing him up to be. The only certainty in this draft is that 3 of the 4 QB's are going to be all stars. The one that isn't will be the one the Browns draft. Doesn't matter which one that is.
 
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How many drafts in the last 20 years have had 3-4 franchise QB's?!

O4... aaaaaand?

2010 - I bet Denver and Carolina feel dumb

2011- Tennesse, Jax, Vikes had a nice setback there.

Plenty of examples before and after those drafts my point is that at best most drafts have 1 and maybe a 2nd Franchise NFL QB while the rest are fools gold.

So saying get your guy at #4? Then he wasn't 'your guy' and the likely hood he ends up being pro bowl level has diminished that much in 3 picks.
 
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Cleveland needs a dome!!!!! No I don't mean for their football games. I mean like a community for coaches and players under a dome. That'll fix it...yep.
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Buckeneye said:
How many drafts in the last 20 years have had 3-4 franchise QB's?!

O4... aaaaaand?

2010 - I bet Denver and Carolina feel dumb

2011- Tennesse, Jax, Vikes had a nice setback there.

Plenty of examples before and after those drafts my point is that at best most drafts have 1 and maybe a 2nd Franchise NFL QB while the rest are fools gold.

So saying get your guy at #4? Then he wasn't 'your guy' and the likely hood he ends up being pro bowl level has diminished that much in 3 picks.
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Even the vaunted a legendary 83 draft really only had 2. Now granted, they were 2 iconic ones. Three with the caveat that Jim Kelly went to the USFL first. Ken O’Brien was decent quality. Eason wasn’t awful but not great. Blackledge was ass.

Interestingly, I forgot that Denver got Kubiak in round 8...and he was the backup for a long time.
 
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tsteele316 said:
You don't let other teams dictate who your future QB is going to be when you have the first pick.
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I agree if you don't also have the 4th pick and 3-4 QB's with little-to-no separation. There is no consensus whatsoever and it seems like the slight favorite among scouts might be Darnold, who I think has the biggest bust potential of them all.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I'm just shocked you believe there is little separation between the big 4 names.
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Well, of course not all 4 are going to have the same level of success and at least one will be a bust, but I really don't see hardly any gap. And neither do a lot of the analysts, I have regularly saw all 3 of Rosen, Darnold and Allen be listed as the top QB in the draft after the regular season was over. One of those will be there at 4. I can see the argument that if internally you see a guy that is head and shoulders above, you take him at 1. If you feel like I feel, you think there is a lot to like about all of them and will end up very happy at #4. Again, if there was no pick at #4, then I say you absolutely take a QB with the top pick.
 
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