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I guess now I am curious to when those picks occurred and who was still on the board at the time.
Here's a partial list that I compiled a while ago. Enjoy!

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Now here's a look at who the Browns could've taken instead of the twelve busts that they actually did take. I didn't re-draft every Browns selection in order to optimize every pick (even the best teams have plenty of "B" and "C" players on their rosters). I also didn't scour the entire draft to see what long shots and sleeper prospects hit in the later rounds (for example, Antonio Brown, 6th round 2010; Russell Wilson, 3rd round 2012). I simply went with players who were selected near (15 picks or less) the Browns' busts - in other words, players that generally received grades similar to the Browns' selections:



Draft ChoiceNFL DraftRoundPick #Comments
QB Brady Quinn (Notre Dame)2007122Led the team to three victories in three seasons. Hurray!
OT Joe Staley (Central Michigan)2007126Not a sexy pick, but this 2-time Pro Bowler (130 career starts) would've been Joe Thomas's bookend for past 9 seasons
WR Brian Robiskie (Ohio State)200923639 receptions for 441 yards and 3 TDs would be 3 good games ... but that was Robo's 3-year output
LB Rey Maualuga (Southern Cal)2009238Not a superstar, but he has spent 7 solid seasons in Cincy; 100 career starts, averaging 80 tackles per year
WR Mohamed Massaquoi (Georgia)2009250Concussions shortened an otherwise uneventful career
OG Andy Levitre (Oregon State)2009251A good offensive lineman who has started every game (112) during his 7-year NFL career
LB David Veikune (Hawaii)2009252The 100-megaton bust: zero tackles in 10 games in brown and orange
RB LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh)2009253One of the best RBs in the NFL, averaging 1,466 total yards and 8 total TDs for his 7-year career
RB Montario Hardesty (Tennessee)2010259You drafts a guy with a bum knee, you gets a guy with a bum knee....
WR Golden Tate (Notre Dame)2010260Not a great player, but a very capable #2 receiver; averaging 59 receptions, 723 yards, 4 TDs for his career
DT Phil Taylor (Baylor)2011121Fat, lazy, and a Cleveland Brown is no way to go through life....
DL Cameron Heyward (Ohio State)2011131After a slow start, is now a stalwart on Steelers' defense; averaging 54 tackles, 7+ sacks over past 2 seasons
WR Greg Little (North Carolina)2011259Good size + good speed + loud mouth + stone hands = grade D wide receiver
WR Randall Cobb (Kentucky)2011264Has developed into a big time WR in Green Bay; averaging 85 receptions, 1058 yards, 9 TDs over past 2 seasons
RB Trent Richardson (Alabama)201213Considering where he was taken, and the trade up to get him, might be the biggest bust of all
LB Luke Kuechly (Boston College)201219Probably the best LB in the NFL; averaging 148 tackles, 3 INTs during 4-year career
QB Brandon Weeden (Oklahoma State)2012122The living definition of a career journeyman back-up QB; 5th round value taken #22 overall
LB Whitney Mercilus (Illinois)2012126Pass rush specialist has 30 sacks in 4 seasons, 12 last season alone
LB Barkevious Mingo (Louisiana State)201316The Browns get somewhat of a pass here because the available talent pool was pretty lousy
OL D.J. Fluker (Alabama)2013111An above average road grader lineman who can play guard or right tackle; the best of a bad lot
CB Justin Gilbert (Oklahoma State)201418The Browns passed on two legitimate superstars to draft this clown
WR Odell Beckham, Jr. (Louisiana State)2014112Looks like a future Hall of Famer; averaging 93 receptions, 1378 yards, 12.5 TDs in his first 2 seasons
DT Aaron Donald (Pittsburgh)2014113If you wanted to go defense rather than Beckham, then Donald (averaging 59 tackles, 10 sacks) was the guy
QB Johnny Manziel (Texas A+M)2014122The Browns passed on franchise QBs Teddy Bridgewater (#32) and Derek Carr (#36) to draft Johnny Trainwreck
CB Bradley Roby (Ohio State)2014131This budding star would've filled a huge need at CB; Bridgewater or Carr also would've made lots of sense here
OL Cameron Erving (Florida State)2015119A nice guy who simply cannot play the game at the NFL level
DB Landon Collins (Alabama)2015233Future perennial All Pro

The reason that I don't have the Browns taking a quarterback anywhere in this nine-year re-draft? Because in an ideal world, the Browns would have taken Ben Roethlisberger in the 2004 NFL Draft instead of Kellen Winslow, Jr.

But the Browns don't live in an ideal world.

They don't even live in a half-way decent one.

NOTE: Lesean McCoy was selected one spot after David Veikune in the 2009 draft.
 
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Here's a partial list that I compiled a while ago. Enjoy!



Now here's a look at who the Browns could've taken instead of the twelve busts that they actually did take. I didn't re-draft every Browns selection in order to optimize every pick (even the best teams have plenty of "B" and "C" players on their rosters). I also didn't scour the entire draft to see what long shots and sleeper prospects hit in the later rounds (for example, Antonio Brown, 6th round 2010; Russell Wilson, 3rd round 2012). I simply went with players who were selected near (15 picks or less) the Browns' busts - in other words, players that generally received grades similar to the Browns' selections:



Draft ChoiceNFL DraftRoundPick #Comments
QB Brady Quinn (Notre Dame)2007122Led the team to three victories in three seasons. Hurray!
OT Joe Staley (Central Michigan)2007126Not a sexy pick, but this 2-time Pro Bowler (130 career starts) would've been Joe Thomas's bookend for past 9 seasons
WR Brian Robiskie (Ohio State)200923639 receptions for 441 yards and 3 TDs would be 3 good games ... but that was Robo's 3-year output
LB Rey Maualuga (Southern Cal)2009238Not a superstar, but he has spent 7 solid seasons in Cincy; 100 career starts, averaging 80 tackles per year
WR Mohamed Massaquoi (Georgia)2009250Concussions shortened an otherwise uneventful career
OG Andy Levitre (Oregon State)2009251A good offensive lineman who has started every game (112) during his 7-year NFL career
LB David Veikune (Hawaii)2009252The 100-megaton bust: zero tackles in 10 games in brown and orange
RB LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh)2009253One of the best RBs in the NFL, averaging 1,466 total yards and 8 total TDs for his 7-year career
RB Montario Hardesty (Tennessee)2010259You drafts a guy with a bum knee, you gets a guy with a bum knee....
WR Golden Tate (Notre Dame)2010260Not a great player, but a very capable #2 receiver; averaging 59 receptions, 723 yards, 4 TDs for his career
DT Phil Taylor (Baylor)2011121Fat, lazy, and a Cleveland Brown is no way to go through life....
DL Cameron Heyward (Ohio State)2011131After a slow start, is now a stalwart on Steelers' defense; averaging 54 tackles, 7+ sacks over past 2 seasons
WR Greg Little (North Carolina)2011259Good size + good speed + loud mouth + stone hands = grade D wide receiver
WR Randall Cobb (Kentucky)2011264Has developed into a big time WR in Green Bay; averaging 85 receptions, 1058 yards, 9 TDs over past 2 seasons
RB Trent Richardson (Alabama)201213Considering where he was taken, and the trade up to get him, might be the biggest bust of all
LB Luke Kuechly (Boston College)201219Probably the best LB in the NFL; averaging 148 tackles, 3 INTs during 4-year career
QB Brandon Weeden (Oklahoma State)2012122The living definition of a career journeyman back-up QB; 5th round value taken #22 overall
LB Whitney Mercilus (Illinois)2012126Pass rush specialist has 30 sacks in 4 seasons, 12 last season alone
LB Barkevious Mingo (Louisiana State)201316The Browns get somewhat of a pass here because the available talent pool was pretty lousy
OL D.J. Fluker (Alabama)2013111An above average road grader lineman who can play guard or right tackle; the best of a bad lot
CB Justin Gilbert (Oklahoma State)201418The Browns passed on two legitimate superstars to draft this clown
WR Odell Beckham, Jr. (Louisiana State)2014112Looks like a future Hall of Famer; averaging 93 receptions, 1378 yards, 12.5 TDs in his first 2 seasons
DT Aaron Donald (Pittsburgh)2014113If you wanted to go defense rather than Beckham, then Donald (averaging 59 tackles, 10 sacks) was the guy
QB Johnny Manziel (Texas A+M)2014122The Browns passed on franchise QBs Teddy Bridgewater (#32) and Derek Carr (#36) to draft Johnny Trainwreck
CB Bradley Roby (Ohio State)2014131This budding star would've filled a huge need at CB; Bridgewater or Carr also would've made lots of sense here
OL Cameron Erving (Florida State)2015119A nice guy who simply cannot play the game at the NFL level
DB Landon Collins (Alabama)2015233Future perennial All Pro

The reason that I don't have the Browns taking a quarterback anywhere in this nine-year re-draft? Because in an ideal world, the Browns would have taken Ben Roethlisberger in the 2004 NFL Draft instead of Kellen Winslow, Jr.

But the Browns don't live in an ideal world.

They don't even live in a half-way decent one.

Looks like what happens when a team that already can’t evaluate talent, drafts for need instead of BPA like a certain former Browns and sure fire HOF coach does.
 
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Here's a partial list that I compiled a while ago. Enjoy!



Now here's a look at who the Browns could've taken instead of the twelve busts that they actually did take. I didn't re-draft every Browns selection in order to optimize every pick (even the best teams have plenty of "B" and "C" players on their rosters). I also didn't scour the entire draft to see what long shots and sleeper prospects hit in the later rounds (for example, Antonio Brown, 6th round 2010; Russell Wilson, 3rd round 2012). I simply went with players who were selected near (15 picks or less) the Browns' busts - in other words, players that generally received grades similar to the Browns' selections:



Draft ChoiceNFL DraftRoundPick #Comments
QB Brady Quinn (Notre Dame)2007122Led the team to three victories in three seasons. Hurray!
OT Joe Staley (Central Michigan)2007126Not a sexy pick, but this 2-time Pro Bowler (130 career starts) would've been Joe Thomas's bookend for past 9 seasons
WR Brian Robiskie (Ohio State)200923639 receptions for 441 yards and 3 TDs would be 3 good games ... but that was Robo's 3-year output
LB Rey Maualuga (Southern Cal)2009238Not a superstar, but he has spent 7 solid seasons in Cincy; 100 career starts, averaging 80 tackles per year
WR Mohamed Massaquoi (Georgia)2009250Concussions shortened an otherwise uneventful career
OG Andy Levitre (Oregon State)2009251A good offensive lineman who has started every game (112) during his 7-year NFL career
LB David Veikune (Hawaii)2009252The 100-megaton bust: zero tackles in 10 games in brown and orange
RB LeSean McCoy (Pittsburgh)2009253One of the best RBs in the NFL, averaging 1,466 total yards and 8 total TDs for his 7-year career
RB Montario Hardesty (Tennessee)2010259You drafts a guy with a bum knee, you gets a guy with a bum knee....
WR Golden Tate (Notre Dame)2010260Not a great player, but a very capable #2 receiver; averaging 59 receptions, 723 yards, 4 TDs for his career
DT Phil Taylor (Baylor)2011121Fat, lazy, and a Cleveland Brown is no way to go through life....
DL Cameron Heyward (Ohio State)2011131After a slow start, is now a stalwart on Steelers' defense; averaging 54 tackles, 7+ sacks over past 2 seasons
WR Greg Little (North Carolina)2011259Good size + good speed + loud mouth + stone hands = grade D wide receiver
WR Randall Cobb (Kentucky)2011264Has developed into a big time WR in Green Bay; averaging 85 receptions, 1058 yards, 9 TDs over past 2 seasons
RB Trent Richardson (Alabama)201213Considering where he was taken, and the trade up to get him, might be the biggest bust of all
LB Luke Kuechly (Boston College)201219Probably the best LB in the NFL; averaging 148 tackles, 3 INTs during 4-year career
QB Brandon Weeden (Oklahoma State)2012122The living definition of a career journeyman back-up QB; 5th round value taken #22 overall
LB Whitney Mercilus (Illinois)2012126Pass rush specialist has 30 sacks in 4 seasons, 12 last season alone
LB Barkevious Mingo (Louisiana State)201316The Browns get somewhat of a pass here because the available talent pool was pretty lousy
OL D.J. Fluker (Alabama)2013111An above average road grader lineman who can play guard or right tackle; the best of a bad lot
CB Justin Gilbert (Oklahoma State)201418The Browns passed on two legitimate superstars to draft this clown
WR Odell Beckham, Jr. (Louisiana State)2014112Looks like a future Hall of Famer; averaging 93 receptions, 1378 yards, 12.5 TDs in his first 2 seasons
DT Aaron Donald (Pittsburgh)2014113If you wanted to go defense rather than Beckham, then Donald (averaging 59 tackles, 10 sacks) was the guy
QB Johnny Manziel (Texas A+M)2014122The Browns passed on franchise QBs Teddy Bridgewater (#32) and Derek Carr (#36) to draft Johnny Trainwreck
CB Bradley Roby (Ohio State)2014131This budding star would've filled a huge need at CB; Bridgewater or Carr also would've made lots of sense here
OL Cameron Erving (Florida State)2015119A nice guy who simply cannot play the game at the NFL level
DB Landon Collins (Alabama)2015233Future perennial All Pro

The reason that I don't have the Browns taking a quarterback anywhere in this nine-year re-draft? Because in an ideal world, the Browns would have taken Ben Roethlisberger in the 2004 NFL Draft instead of Kellen Winslow, Jr.

But the Browns don't live in an ideal world.

They don't even live in a half-way decent one.

NOTE: Lesean McCoy was selected one spot after David Veikune in the 2009 draft.
This reads like the script of 'Gigli' to your average football fan. I think we're all aware of how (seemingly) impossibly bad the clowns have drafted, but when it's all laid out like that, it somehow appears even worse.
 
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I will go with the draft pick who was called "mad dog in a meat market"… Mike Junkin
Yeah, given the spot the two were selected, I have to give the edge to Junkin. Picked 5th overall, played in 15 games (7 starts) in two years and logged 19 tackles and 0 sacks. The following 2 picks (Kelly Stouffer, Reggie Rogers) were massive busts, but it's the next three that really sting...

- Shane Conlan, LB...3 time All Pro MLB for the Bills
- Jerome Brown, DT...one of the league's elite DTs over his 5 year career before his death
- Rod Woodson, CB...ouch, one of the greatest DBs of all-time, perennial All Pro and Hall of Famer, made worse by the fact he went to your arch rival

Interesting tidbit, this is the same draft Joey and Nick's dad, John Bosa, went 16th overall to the Dolphins. He was also a bust.
 
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Not sure why the Browns are getting shit on so hard with these picks. Personally, I was no fan of Mayfield. But, it's easy to see that all these qb's are at similar levels of likelihood to succeed in the NFL and if this is the guy the FO feels fits their style and attitude, I'm glad they grabbed him.

And seriously, quit with the Manziel 2.0 nonsense; they're very dissimilar in physical skills and game prep, from everything credibly reported on him. To me he's very similar to Tyrod Taylor who's been fairly successful considering a career playing with constantly changing coaching staff and average at best surrounding talent (sounds pretty familiar to us Browns fans). If Mayfield comes into this willing to sit and learn, if the team continues to improve the line and skill positions (doing decent already with Hyde and Jones additions), and if our HC can not be a bumbling fuck rod, he can be as successful as any other qb in this draft could have been.

As for Ward, he was far and away the best corner in the draft; much farther ahead of other CB's than Chubb is to other available DE's and at a position of much greater need. Seems like the obvious right choice for Cleveland.

All that said, I'm as cynical of this team as anyone and these picks certainly don't guarantee they'll turn anything around. But, I'm tired of them getting shit on just cause these media 'talent evaluators' didn't get their guys picked. Fuck them (specifically you Mel Kiper, and you Tony Grossi). And just cause, FUCK the steelers too; your pick sucked and I hope he's terrible
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I bring up the “leader” point as a contrast to how Manziel was viewed coming out of college. I just disagree with that lazy comparison. He may very well bust, but I don’t see a qb in this draft that doesn’t have a good shot at busting, including Rosen because of the concussions, and it was always going to be a qb at one.

Not sure what you're referring too. All I remember hearing was how 'fiery' and a 'leader' that Manziel was. Those shots of him yelling at his guys on the sideline vs Doooook was shown over and over and over...
 
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Not sure what you're referring too. All I remember hearing was how 'fiery' and a 'leader' that Manziel was. Those shots of him yelling at his guys on the sideline vs Doooook was shown over and over and over...
I dunno, maybe I missed some, but I remember him being described as "selfish", "entitled" and "immature" leading up to the draft. Haven't heard any of that for Mayfield.

Let me stress, I am not a Mayfield fan, and I'm not saying this was a homerun of a pick; just that given the options, I get it. I watched enough of Darnold last year, against tOSU in particular, to form an opinion that he's going to need a lot of work to be effective in the NFL, and that his style of play could lead to him being a flat-out disaster. Rosen, while the most pro-ready in terms of ability/experience, has the concussion/injury issues and appeared to rub many people the wrong way attitude-wise. Allen is raw as hell, and while he may have the most impressive physical traits, he put up some pretty mediocre numbers against weak competition. People like to throw out the Wentz comparisons with him, but Wentz put up solid numbers and won championships; Allen put up subpar numbers and QB'd mediocre teams. Mayfield has the size going against him, and may cause some to bristle with his personality, but he was ultra-productive...like the two highest efficiency ratings in NCAA history in back-to-back seasons productive, took care of the ball, has outstanding accuracy and solid arm strength. His work ethic is cited over and over. Each of those guys have their warts and their strengths. I don't see any of them as remotely near a sure thing. I just get why the clowns chose Mayfield, and I've railed against almost every pick they've made for as long as message boards have been a thing. I could see getting really upset if they passed over a near sure thing for him, but I didn't see that with this crop.
 
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From 10,000 ft away;

  1. If you think Mayfield is The Guy then fine, trade down get the extra picks and grab him later. I assure you that outside of Mrs Mayfield, you are the only one alive that thinks he's the overall #1 pick.
  2. I appreciate the business side to finally taking a quality Buckeye but at #4 he's a stretch. See notes from above, trade down and get him later.

Dumbest organization in sports
 
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Not sure what you're referring too. All I remember hearing was how 'fiery' and a 'leader' that Manziel was. Those shots of him yelling at his guys on the sideline vs Doooook was shown over and over and over...

And all that might have worked out for him to at least a better degree... but Its pretty hard to be fiery and yell at your teammates when you're drunk in Vegas wearing a wig when you should be prepping for a game.

All of which to say is, all things being equal (they aren't, but if they were) Mayfield is much more likely to succeed by not the traits that guaranteed Manziels demise, namely crippling alcoholism.

(and I know the comparison kind of was inorganic there and you started by critcizing mayfield in general, and that's all fine but this Manziel thing just needs to go die, these kids have nothing to do with each other. Hell, Sober Manziel probably has nothing to do with drunk Manziel. )
 
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From 10,000 ft away;

  1. If you think Mayfield is The Guy then fine, trade down get the extra picks and grab him later. I assure you that outside of Mrs Mayfield, you are the only one alive that thinks he's the overall #1 pick.
  2. I appreciate the business side to finally taking a quality Buckeye but at #4 he's a stretch. See notes from above, trade down and get him later.

Dumbest organization in sports

Draft analysis where you get to trade down 2 spots whenever you feel like it is pretty dumb too.
 
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The Jets basically came out and said they were going to take him at #3. There was no trade down to be had.

fair enough

don't follow it that close but both seemed to be a reach. I would think you could have traded one of them down or let the Jets take Mayfield and grabbed Darnold, whatever.

It's the Browns. History tells me they fucked this 8 ways to Sunday.

Law of large numbers tells me they are due to back into one.

I hope that they both end up HOF'ers for you Browns fans sake. You've earned it.
 
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