Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

[aurorabuckeye13]

kolb is philly's guy of the future, i can't see them letting him go under any circumstances. mcnabb is owed a good chunk of change. i fail to see the wisdom of giving up draft picks to get a guy 34 years old for a team that is still rebuilding. hasselbeck could be an option if he's cut, but i doubt seattle cuts him.

it's a thin market for qb's this year. i shudder at the notion of possibly drafting one at #7.

Good post I agree with everything here. QB is not a position this offseason especially with our team where we should trade draft picks to get one. That would be something to think about when we have most of our other pieces in place, excluding QB. We are nowhere close to that right now, except for maybe the front office.

 

[LitlBuck]

I believe that a couple of are more knowledgeable posters said that Holmgren fills the offensive side of the ball with free-agent or at least guys who have been around the NFL for a while. I really don't think that we need all of our 11 picks and if someone out there as a veteran QB that Holmgren likes I can't see him maybe giving up our second pick in the third-round and a later pick to bring in a veteran. I can also see the possibility of him seeing a QB out there in the later rounds who he might want to bring in and start tutoring. I agree that there are quite a few other parts they need to be addressed in the draft but without a QB it really hurts the entire team so I think that position really needs to be addressed if Holmgren does not think that Quinn is the answer.

 

[tsteele316]

I believe that a couple of are more knowledgeable posters said that Holmgren fills the offensive side of the ball with free-agent or at least guys who have been around the NFL for a while. I really don't think that we need all of our 11 picks and if someone out there as a veteran QB that Holmgren likes I can't see him maybe giving up our second pick in the third-round and a later pick to bring in a veteran. I can also see the possibility of him seeing a QB out there in the later rounds who he might want to bring in and start tutoring. I agree that there are quite a few other parts they need to be addressed in the draft but without a QB it really hurts the entire team so I think that position really needs to be addressed if Holmgren does not think that Quinn is the answer.

holmgren is on the record as saying that if he had to do it over again, which he does, he would rebuild the defense with youth, primarily through the draft, and use more of the FA route for the offense. Since Cleveland already has the 2 toughest OL spots filled long term, I can see how the FA route would work.

 

[LitlBuck]

holmgren is on the record as saying that if he had to do it over again, which he does, he would rebuild the defense with youth, primarily through the draft, and use more of the FA route for the offense. Since Cleveland already has the 2 toughest OL spots filled long term, I can see how the FA route would work.

I guess that is what I am saying so do the Browns really need 9 picks to fill all of their needs on both sides of the ball. Maybe two of those 11 picks can be used obtain a veteran QB because the free-agent market is very limited with QBs.

 

[tsteele316]

I guess that is what I am saying so do the Browns really need 9 picks to fill all of their needs on both sides of the ball. Maybe two of those 11 picks can be used obtain a veteran QB because the free-agent market is very limited with QBs.

in short, yes, they do need all those picks. cleveland needs talent across the board. you aren't going to get anyone decent via trade without giving up some fairly high draft picks, which is something cleveland can't afford to do.

now, do i think they'll actually use all 11 picks? doubtful. i could see them using a 6th or 5th to trade up somewhere. i could see them trading a late pick outright for a higher pick next year.

 

[Buckeneye]

If Kolb is Philly's "QB of the future" then where does that leave Vick with them?

What I'm trying to get at, is Kolb really a beyond workable deal? - I doubt that.


Mcnabb wasn't what he was, but he's been playing behind a rather shoddy line of late. If our hogs up front can continue on the way they have I would see little issue bringing in Mcnabb for a year or two (on the cheap) while we test the waters elsewhere. He's an instant upgrade and brings great wisdom/experience/leadership to any younger QB we might bring in.

That said.

There's a guy in Baltimore still available Holmgren ol' buddy

 

[LitlBuck]

Thomas and Cribbs name to AP All-Pro

Cleveland.com

Cleveland Browns' Josh Cribbs and Joe Thomas make All-Pro team
By Mary Kay Cabot
January 14, 2010, 10:55AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns kick returner Josh Cribbs and left tackle Joe Thomas made the Associated Press 2009 NFL All-Pro team today, the first such honor for both players.

Cribbs, who also made the Pro Bowl this season as a returner for the second time, scored a league-high three touchdowns on kickoff returns to become the NFL's all-time career leader with eight. He also finished third in the NFL with a 27.5-yard kick return average, with a long of 103 yards.

Cribbs beat out Philadelphia's DeSean Jackson, who made second-team All-Pro.

Thomas joins Denver's Ryan Clady as the two first-team tackles. Thomas, who made the Pro Bowl for the third time this season in his three-year career, had another outstanding year, holding some of the best players in the league without a sack, including Minnesota's Jared Allen and Denver's Elvis Dumervil.

The Browns were one of four teams to have two players on the squad. The others were New Orleans, Denver and the New York Jets.

Cribbs and Thomas were two of 16 first-time All-Pros.

 

[NFBuck]

If Kolb is Philly's "QB of the future" then where does that leave Vick with them?

What I'm trying to get at, is Kolb really a beyond workable deal? - I doubt that.

Vick was brought in as a circus sideshow. He has no future as a QB there. Kolb was talked up as their QB of the future coming into this season and solidified that when he filled in while McNabb was dinged up. I'd say he's as close to "untouchable" as you can get unless you're willing to part with some high draft picks a la what Houston gave up to get Schaub a couple of years back. With so many needs, the Browns would be foolish to pursue that.

 

[LitlBuck]

ABJ

Free agency won't be the answer
by Marla Ridenour on January 13, 2010


The best move Browns coach Eric Mangini may have made in his first season was stockpiling 11 picks for the April 22-24 NFL draft.

The uncertainty of an upcapped year in 2010 may make NFL teams hesitant to do much in free agency, which begins March 5. Unless a new Collective Bargaining Agreement is reached before then, 212 players (according to the Associated Press) who thought they would be unrestricted free agents will now be restricted. That group includes the Browns' Abe Elam, Brodney Pool, Jerome Harrison, Lawrence Vickers, D'Qwell Jackson and Matt Roth.

New general manager Tom Heckert said Tuesday that teams may also shy away from big-name players because the salary cap may return in the future.
"Those are the things you have to weigh," Heckert said. "Are you going to pay a guy an exorbitant amount of signing bonus or salary and hope for the best and see what happens? We'll come up with a salary structure not only for this year, but for the next two or three years out. We'll see where we are cap-wise, see what we can handle and what we can't."

Asked his top priority, Heckert said, "Draft well, that?s how you sustain success."

According to Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network, there are virtually no highly regarded quarterbacks who will be unrestricted. His list, as of Dec. 30, included Charlie Batch, Kyle Boller, Mark Brunell, David Carr, Daunte Culpepper, A.J. Feeley, Rex Grossman, Josh McCown, Chad Pennington, Chris Redman and Brian St. Pierre.

:tongue2:

I have not heard anything about a new CBA being talked about and if March 5 is the deadline I don't see the Browns picking up many free agents to help rebuild this team. I guess we shall see after the Super Bowl when this type of talk will probably get heated up.

 

[NFBuck]

Out of that underwhelming list, Rex Grossman is one that might be worth a flier on the cheap. He's gotten good reviews from Houston this year and people forget that he was the QB of a SB team. Not a long term answer by any means, just somebody to push Brady that doesn't have the initials DA.

My opinion is that RB needs to be a big priority. A strong running game is a good way to build a team, especially with the dearth of talent at WR in Cleveland. I like Harrison...as a part timer. I'm not wowed by his late season numbers considering the piss poor defenses he racked them up against. He has a place on this team, but I'd like to find somebody to share the load. You can't count on James Davis being that guy. I don't see Jennings as much more than a 3rd back.

 

[LitlBuck]

Out of that underwhelming list, Rex Grossman is one that might be worth a flier on the cheap. He's gotten good reviews from Houston this year and people forget that he was the QB of a SB team. Not a long term answer by any means, just somebody to push Brady that doesn't have the initials DA.

My opinion is that RB needs to be a big priority. A strong running game is a good way to build a team, especially with the dearth of talent at WR in Cleveland. I like Harrison...as a part timer. I'm not wowed by his late season numbers considering the [censored] poor defenses he racked them up against. He has a place on this team, but I'd like to find somebody to share the load. You can't count on James Davis being that guy. I don't see Jennings as much more than a 3rd back.

In reading about who some of the guys there were drafted or signed as free agents when Heckert was in Philadelphia, I say that it is time to trust Tom:)

I certainly don't see any RB's that are worthy of a very high draft pick. I know that Spiller is rated as going in the first round someplace but I do not think that he is a RB that I want to use a draft pick on and sense tsteele says that Holmgren addresses the offensive via free agency, hopefully there will be a CBA in place by March 5 because that would certainly open up the market.

 

[tsteele316]

In reading about who some of the guys there were drafted or signed as free agents when Heckert was in Philadelphia, I say that it is time to trust Tom:)

I certainly don't see any RB's that are worthy of a very high draft pick. I know that Spiller is rated as going in the first round someplace but I do not think that he is a RB that I want to use a draft pick on and sense tsteele says that Holmgren addresses the offensive via free agency, hopefully there will be a CBA in place by March 5 because that would certainly open up the market.

all i said was that during one of his radio interviews, holmgren stated that with respect to seattle, if he had it to do all over again, he would have used draft picks to get youth on defense, and supplemented the offense with free agents, vs doing the opposite in seattle. of course, you have to understand the basic philosophy is predicated on having a talent base to build from, which cleveland does not have. so, there is no guarantee that cleveland is going to go all defense in the draft. but, it could be safe to assume that there will be a heavy defensive theme.

as for the CBA, there will not be one in place by March 5, that seems to be the consensus from most NFL insiders. That pretty much dries up the FA pool. But on the flip side, it will also leave many teams reluctant to spend in FA due to threat of a lockout.

 

[JCOSU86]

I keep hearing about the "11 draft picks" and how great it is that they have them. But aren't 6 of them 5th round or later? Certainly it isn't impossible to get talent in the 5th 6th and 7th rounds, but I have to believe it's a lot harder.

 

[3074326]

I would not be against trading a third round pick or below (or a package of them) for a QB who can transition the team into whatever they really want to do.

Most picks that late are backups, at best. If you can pick up an old QB (Hasselbeck, McNabb) with a third and a fifth or something.. I'm all for it. Especially when the team has this many picks. I think McNabb will require more than a third and a fifth, but I don't think it'd be a first. Both of those QBs are old and injury prone.

 

[LitlBuck]

I keep hearing about the "11 draft picks" and how great it is that they have them. But aren't 6 of them 5th round or later? Certainly it isn't impossible to get talent in the 5th 6th and 7th rounds, but I have to believe it's a lot harder.

I believe they have two in the third, 3 5ths and 2 6ths so that's not that bad but I think you are correct you don't find many nuggets after the fifth round. At least the Browns haven't in past years. Hopefully, this will change under Holmgren.