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Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

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LitlBuck;1635447; said:
I know this is written by a hack:) but it is the only thing I could find:(
Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren says decision on Eric Mangini will be resolved soon | Starting Blocks - cleveland.com - - cleveland.com
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From the link:

"I met with Eric briefly, but not 'The Meeting'," Holmgren said in his afternoon meeting with the media. "They were busy getting their year-end evaluations completed. We have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow. I asked him to think about a few things this evening. I did give him a list of things to think about for our meeting tomorrow.


"In fairness to Eric ... I was a coach for a long time, it's important he understands where I'm coming from and I understand where he's coming from. The only way you win in this league is when the coach and general manager are on the same wavelength. That's the only chance.



"When egos get in the way, it destroys the team. My goal is to have everyone thinking in a like manner, going in the same direction. Let's put the egos aside. That meeting I'm going to have tomorrow."


When asked if Mangini had a legitimate chance to retain the job, Holmgren said: "Absolutely. Otherwise I wouldn't have set the meeting up. I don't dance too much. I appreciate people that shoot straight. We're going to have a meeting. Maybe a couple of meetings this week. I hope to have that resolved this week."
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This is the only part of the article that has quotes from Holmgren, hence it may be a bit more impervious to Grossi's "hack" type opinions. :biggrin:

What strikes me is the consistent beat from Holmgren about everyone being on the same page and for the past month Mangini has been beating that exact same drum.

Holmgren and Mangini beating the same drum doesn't necessarily mean that Mangini will be retained. What it tells me is that both understand what it means to be successful in the long haul in the NFL and if they are not on the same page, they will move on....no hurt feelings (or egos) from either side.

I wish we could see what is on that list for Mangini!
 
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More from my favorite sports writer on how the Browns might be able to obtain Fox from Carolina:)

Cleveland.com

Holmgren Era / Day Two: Cleveland Browns coach, GM meetings continue
By Tony Grossi
January 06, 2010, 12:54PM

BEREA, Ohio -- News, notes, rumors and reports as new team president Mike Holmgren begins to build the Browns:

-- Holmgren and Eric Mangini are meeting today. No word yet on whether the men will arrive at a decision on Mangini's future today, or conduct further meetings to hash out their philsophical differences.

If Mangini is not retained, Holmgren's coaching search will commence immediately.

-- The national "insiders" are split on the validity of the John Fox-to-Cleveland rumor. Here's what I know:

1. Fox is "very interested" in the possibility, according to a league source.

2. Panthers owner Jerry Richardson would be willing to arrive at a contract settlement to get out of the $6 million owed Fox for the 2010 season.

3. Richardson, seeing a potential owners' lockout in 2011, would not replace Fox with Bill Cowher, but might promote from within.

4. Behind the scenes, most if not all of Mike Holmgren's coaching and executive "ready lists" are made up of clients of agent Bob LaMonte. Fox is in that stable.

-- Other LaMonte clients that could come into play include Leslie Frazier, defensive coordinator of Minnesota; Mike Sherman, Texas A&M head coach; Mike Mornhinweg, offensive coordinator of Philadelphia; and Mike Heimerdinger, offensive coordinator of Tennessee.

-- On the GM front, Tom Heckert, general manager of Philadelphia, is being interviewed by Holmgren today.

Heckert, also in the LaMonte stable, is highly regarded in personnel circles. The Eagles, however, have been encouraging him to seek a team that would give him real GM powers. He doesn't have that in Philadelphia and never will.
-- Other rumored GM candidates include LaMonte-clients Randy Mueller, a three-time GM now an assistant in San Diego; and Ted Sundquist, who's been out of the GM loop since leaving Denver two years ago.

-- John Schneider, co-director of football operations with Green Bay, has strong ties to Holmgren, but is not a LaMonte client.
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Agent: Cleveland Browns 'insulting' Joshua Cribbs with low offer - ESPN

"They like to say Cribbs has three years left on the contract, but I can assure them they have no years left on the contract," Schaffer said sternly. "Either this gets resolved by the first day of the league year, or he will never show up for the Browns again and will immediately demand a trade.
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Agent needs to ease up a bit. Public opinion is on Cribbs' side... for the time being. This kind of talk will turn the tide. Both sides need to give in a little. He is worth more than he's being paid - but he also has 3 years left on his contract. He's not going to get market value because Cleveland is the market.
 
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OH10;1637160; said:
Agent: Cleveland Browns 'insulting' Joshua Cribbs with low offer - ESPN



Agent needs to ease up a bit. Public opinion is on Cribbs' side... for the time being. This kind of talk will turn the tide. Both sides need to give in a little. He is worth more than he's being paid - but he also has 3 years left on his contract. He's not going to get market value because Cleveland is the market.
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+1 His agent is already becoming an ass which will turn public opinion quicker than anything. If he wants to demand a trade and isnt willing to play, I would just let him sit out and fine his ass for three years. I am so sick of agents taking every negotiation to the public, especially since Holmgren just was hired not 2 weeks ago.
 
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osubartender23;1637168; said:
+1 His agent is already becoming an ass which will turn public opinion quicker than anything. If he wants to demand a trade and isnt willing to play, I would just let him sit out and fine his ass for three years. I am so sick of agents taking every negotiation to the public, especially since Holmgren just was hired not 2 weeks ago.
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I'd offer him a 5 year deal with a 5 mil signing bonus and 2 mil a year. Maybe throw in another mil a year based on performance. I think that would be fair. It isn't the Browns fault that his old agent was a moron with the 6 year 6 mil deal. If he does demand a trade the Browns can afford to sit on him if they want to, but with his contract they could demand a very high pick in a trade.
 
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If he refuses to play for the Browns, and wants a trade, and if the Browns refuse to trade him, can they just keep him from practicing for 3 years, when he can sign a new contract with a new team? Who would agree to give him a lot of money if he's been out of football for 3 years?

I agree with whoever said the agent needs to chill out. The public can't relate to someone who is already getting paid whatever Cribbs is getting ($1M a year or so?). Most fans are going to turn on him the longer this lasts. Keep the public and media out for as long as you can, and you can keep them on your side.
 
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The thing that most will keep most people on his side is that there are quotes from Browns management promising to re-do his deal by the end of the season and by the end of the new year. This guy plays his ass off and sacrfices his body and is the best player on our team in the eyes of many. Low-balling him with deal that gives him 1.4 million a year is ridiculous. Devin Hester makes 5.4 million i believe per year, no one can say that Cribbs right now is worse than Hester. I'd give him 3 years at about 3.5 million per year, because with the abuse his body takes he will slow down by then a little bit.
 
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If the Browns were ever going to overpay anyone... it should be Cribbs...

Without him... we're probably 0-16... He saved them untold millions by not placing them with the #1 draft position.. so they could end up with Courtney Brown, Tim Couch, Ki-Jana Carter, Steve Entman, Jamarcus Russell... tens of millions in guaranteed money thrown away...

Is there ANY OTHER PERSON on this team that opposing teams even mention, let alone plan for, in their game prep... If this team starts every drive drom their 20, we lose 16 games...

Pay the man
 
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aurorabuckeye13;1637194; said:
The thing that most will keep most people on his side is that there are quotes from Browns management promising to re-do his deal by the end of the season and by the end of the new year. This guy plays his ass off and sacrfices his body and is the best player on our team in the eyes of many. Low-balling him with deal that gives him 1.4 million a year is ridiculous. Devin Hester makes 5.4 million i believe per year, no one can say that Cribbs right now is worse than Hester. I'd give him 3 years at about 3.5 million per year, because with the abuse his body takes he will slow down by then a little bit.
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devin hester is chicago's #1 wr. cribbs isn't even a #2 wr on a team totally lacking wr talent. Cribbs is certainly worse than hester. furthermore, just because chicago was stupid in the contract they gave hester doesn't mean the browns should be equally retarded.
 
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NJ-Buckeye;1637218; said:
If the Browns were ever going to overpay anyone... it should be Cribbs...

Without him... we're probably 0-16... He saved them untold millions by not placing them with the #1 draft position.. so they could end up with Courtney Brown, Tim Couch, Ki-Jana Carter, Steve Entman, Jamarcus Russell... tens of millions in guaranteed money thrown away...

Is there ANY OTHER PERSON on this team that opposing teams even mention, let alone plan for, in their game prep... If this team starts every drive drom their 20, we lose 16 games...

Pay the man
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I think we still beat Buffalo, but I agree with the rest.

You've got to pay him, the question is "how much?" His agent will try to high-ball, the club will low-ball, and they'll reach a middle ground somewhere around August 13, 2010. Now if they would just figure it out sooner rather than later, we'd all be better off.
 
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