Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[Mike80]

Extensive Q&A with Mangini by Clark Judge. He's pretty much FoS.

Q&A: Under fire, Mangini opens up about Browns, Quinn, Belichick - NFL - CBSSports.com Football

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Q: There was a suggestion that he was nailed to the bench because of his contract and an escalator clause that rewards him the more he plays. Any truth to that? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Mangini: No, absolutely not. With all the different contracts ... I don't know what the incentives are.[/FONT]

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Horse-fucking-shit.

When the change was made, it was clear that the team had lost confidence in Quinn. But the ONLY reason DA has been starting since the Buffalo game was due to the contract stipulations.

Beyond that, there is NO fucking way that a guy with as much power as Mangina wields within the Browns organization DOESN'T know the contracts like that.

Screw comparing this fucking idiot to Belicheck. Those comments strike me as more like FatFuck Charlie Weis than Belicheat.
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[NFBuck]

if you are just talking about the QB situation I sort of agree but when it comes to the future of the Cleveland Browns I don't think either one of us is apathetic about that.

Yeah, I was speaking solely about this year and the QB situation. It doesn't matter who starts, this team isn't going anywhere this season. Quinn will complete better than 40% of his passes and probably chuck fewer INTs/get sacked less, but short passes won't help when there's no running game to speak of. I'm sure they'll pull out a win against 1 or 2 of the Oakland/Detroit/KC trifecta...just enough to screw up their draft position. Long term, I wouldn't say I'm apathetic totally. I'd love to have a reason to give a damn about the NFL again. 2007 was a lot of fun. But, I've come to accept the realization that this franchise is so royally fucked right now that it's going to take an immense overhaul from the front office to the roster to even dream of being competitive again. I mean, look at this roster:

-No QB (neither DA nor Quinn are the long, hell even short term answer)
-No RB (Lewis is old, slow and retiring, Harrison isn't an everydown back and I still don't know if Davis has much of a future)
-No WRs (MoM may eventually develop, but we won't know until there's a QB capable of getting him the ball), Robo has shown nothing and is in the same boat as Mo, Cribbs is not a consistent recieving threat. There isn't much at TE either.
-The OL has issues outside of Thomas, maybe Steinbach and maybe Mack.
-The DL still needs help. Neither of the ends are worth much in the current scheme and Rogers isn't getting any younger.
-The LBs lack playmakers
-The DBs need a lot of help. Wright might work out, but there needs to be an upgrade next to him. The safeties are barely adequate.
- Zastudil is a great punter, but Dawson is probably on his last leg...literally. On top of that, the one piece of this team that is actually good, the return game, will probably be up in the air soon. I look for the Cribbs contract stuff to bubble up again after the season.

So many holes. Cleveland is not going to get many looks from FAs until the front office/coaching situation gets sorted out. I mean, who would want to come play here right now? Fortunately, they have a lot of draft picks next spring, but they still haven't shown that they can draft worth a shit.

Holy shit was that depressing to type out...:!

 

[BuckNut65]

The 3 faces of Mangenius

 

[ulukinatme]

Mangini Wearing Out Players?
Cleveland Browns' Jamal Lewis says coach Eric Mangini overworking team - ESPN

BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns running back Jamal Lewis said Thursday he's frustrated by another losing season and coach Eric Mangini is pushing his players too hard.


Lewis


Lewis, who intends to retire after this season, said Thursday that he doesn't want to be a "babysitter" to Cleveland's younger players. He wants to win and expressed disappointment that 2- and 3-hour practices aren't translating into wins for the team, which has a 1-7 record.
While Lewis doesn't mind working hard, he says Mangini is wearing out his players.
The team captain says he hasn't approached Mangini about making changes. Earlier, Mangini said he has changed his approach and adjusted this season.

Anyone know what the average NFL practice length is? Lewis has been in the league for a long time, so if he says 2-3 hours is too long and the players are tired, I guess I can accept that...but we practiced for that long in high school, and I remember our high school team executing better than this Browns team :p

 

[BayBuck]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Beyond that, there is NO [censored]ing way that a guy with as much power as Mangina wields within the Browns organization DOESN'T know the contracts like that. [/FONT]

Exactly. It's not like this is some lineman's $500K escalator clause; this is supposedly a micro-manager head man not knowing about his 1st-round QB's incentives worth over $10M?? Sure, coach.

 

[LitlBuck]

So many holes. Cleveland is not going to get many looks from FAs until the front office/coaching situation gets sorted out. I mean, who would want to come play here right now? Fortunately, they have a lot of draft picks next spring, but they still haven't shown that they can draft worth a [censored].

Holy [censored] was that depressing to type out...:!

Unfortunately, you did point out a pretty dismal future. I think if they would go to a shorter passing game BQ would work out in the future but the other needs would still have to be filled. Can't believe that Robo is not producing and I'm not saying that not because he is a Buckeye. I mean I never saw him drop a pass when he was in Columbus. I think a quicker fix on defense would be for them to go to a 4-3 but what do I know.

I have heard that Lerner has said that Mangini will be back next year. If that is the case, I cannot see the Browns hiring any big-time guy to head up their football operations:(which means we will suffer even longer.

 

[tsteele316]

Unfortunately, you did point out a pretty dismal future. I think if they would go to a shorter passing game BQ would work out in the future but the other needs would still have to be filled. Can't believe that Robo is not producing and I'm not saying that not because he is a Buckeye. I mean I never saw him drop a pass when he was in Columbus. I think a quicker fix on defense would be for them to go to a 4-3 but what do I know.

I have heard that Lerner has said that Mangini will be back next year. If that is the case, I cannot see the Browns hiring any big-time guy to head up their football operations:(which means we will suffer even longer.

lerner has said his football "czar" will be in charge of looking at the entire football operations side, hiring his own people, and doing his own evaluations on who stays and who goes, including the coaching staff. the only way mangini is coaching cleveland in 2010 is if the new VP gives him the thumbs up.

 

[Bucklion]

Unfortunately, you did point out a pretty dismal future. I think if they would go to a shorter passing game BQ would work out in the future but the other needs would still have to be filled. Can't believe that Robo is not producing and I'm not saying that not because he is a Buckeye. I mean I never saw him drop a pass when he was in Columbus. I think a quicker fix on defense would be for them to go to a 4-3 but what do I know.

I have heard that Lerner has said that Mangini will be back next year. If that is the case, I cannot see the Browns hiring any big-time guy to head up their football operations:(which means we will suffer even longer.

Too many negatives in one sentence :tongue2:

In any event, Robo will only be truly effective if someone else is stretching the field, and the Browns don't have the receiver, the QB, OR the line play to do that at the moment. It's almost too bad he didn't get drafted by a team like the Rams, because despite how crappy they are, he's be getting more regular work and be producing more (a la J-Lau).

 

[schwab]

...the only way mangini is coaching cleveland in 2010 is if the new VP has both thumbs up his ass.

fify

 

[LitlBuck]

Too many negatives in one sentence :tongue2:

In any event, Robo will only be truly effective if someone else is stretching the field, and the Browns don't have the receiver, the QB, OR the line play to do that at the moment. It's almost too bad he didn't get drafted by a team like the Rams, because despite how crappy they are, he's be getting more regular work and be producing more (a la J-Lau).

I didn't know you were an English teacher along with the rest of your occupations:) but I did know that that sentence sounded sort of funny.

The question I have about Mass and Robo is that Robo timed out better in the 40 at the combine so why isn't he stretching the field is said of the guy from Georgia or is it because of the SEC's speed factor:tongue2:

 

[Buckrock]

I wish I had a job that paid $ 3.5 Million. I'd work the 2 1/2 hours he indicated practice was. I'd also put in another 3 hours of prep and film work. It's still less than my 10 hours a day I work today (minus 1 hour for Buckeyeplanet). Suck it up JL! :!

 

[3074326]

From ESPN's rumor mill. Should piss off many of you.

Way back in the spring, there were strong rumors circulating that Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn was on the trading block, but as we know nothing came to fruition.

NFL Insider Adam Schefter has some more details for us, as he's gotten word from multiple league sources that the Browns had a deal on the table from the Denver Broncos that would have returned a first-day draft pick to Cleveland. At the time, the Browns declined the offer because they would then have to use another high pick on a QB, but now it's looking like they'll have to do so anyway, and Quinn's trade value is much lower.

The old saying says "Hindsight is 20-20," but in Cleveland the more applicable clich? is "the blind leading the blind."

 

[Bucklion]

From ESPN's rumor mill. Should piss off many of you.

I don't know...they already had a chance to take the Sanchise, and declined, so they really didn't lose out on much considering what they were doing. No one knew Quinn would be channeling his inner Kelly Stouffer at this point.

 

[LitlBuck]

I know that I am about the only guy on the board who still has hopes for Quinn but I still think under the right offense he could be a decent NFL QB. I don't know if the rest of the season will bear this out because currently the Browns don't have a offensive scheme.

 

[NFBuck]

I know that I am about the only guy on the board who still has hopes for Quinn but I still think under the right offense he could be a decent NFL QB. I don't know if the rest of the season will bear this out because currently the Browns don't have a offensive scheme.

I don't think you can totally write him off yet because he's playing with a talent level sourrounding him that is barely superior to most arena league teams. I don't think he's going anywhere because his trade value is so low that it would be pretty much pointless to jettison him now. One (minor) advantage that he has over DA, to me, is he limits the damn boneheaded mistakes Anderson makes in abundance. He checks down like a maniac, but at least he doesn't throw retarded interceptions inside his own 20...not yet anyway.