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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
strohs;1063409; said:
The offenses of YSU and OSU tend to prove your secondary point rather "incorrect".
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strohs
Go Bucks!
muffler dragon;1063431; said:
Apparantly you havent been watching the same team over the past 7 years that I have, and you definitely missed the last game.
He has had moments when the talent has been insane (last year, '05, first half of '02, first 3/4 of this year) but other than that its been pretty bad at times.
You cant possibly tell me that the game plan for the offense in the last 2 national championship games have been anything less than terrible
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strohs;1063483; said:
Let's turn this around then...
Explain it to us...
Break down the plans...tell me why the offense chose certain formations. What did they hope to exploit? Why didnt it work? Why did it work?
Instead of simply saying, "Its terrible..." look at it...dissect it.
Can you do that or are you just one of those guys that sees winning and losing as the only measure of success?
The offense rolls, its because of talent. It goes stagnant, its because of Tressel?
That makes zero sense.
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Sportsbuck28
Here comes the BOOM
Maybe you missed the fact that statistically we didn't have much drop-off offensively this season despite losing the Heisman trophy winner, two first round picks at receiver, nad a 1,300 yard back from last year.strohs;1063483; said:
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
strohs;1063483; said:
For the past twenty-two years, Jim Tressel's teams have averaged in the mid-20s in scoring (with his play-calling) while holding teams to scoring in the teens. Your contention holds no water when it comes to actual numbers.
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
Let me see here:
We gain more yards than LSU in the NC game.
We have 3 turnovers.
We have 4 personal fouls.
We lose the game.
And somehow, this is the fault of Jim Tressel's play-calling, and furthermore, is a symptom of perpetual things over the past few years?
We gain more yards than LSU in the NC game.
We have 3 turnovers.
We have 4 personal fouls.
We lose the game.
And somehow, this is the fault of Jim Tressel's play-calling, and furthermore, is a symptom of perpetual things over the past few years?
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xcrunner
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Clearly you haven't been watching this season at all! Our offense sucked! The only reason we ever scored any points the entire season was because we played in the slow, fat, big 10. Anyone could have told you that once we played LSU, our offense wouldn't stand a chance. Our tackles would get destroyed by LSU's fast, speedy DE's. And we were all right! Ohio State's offense got owned just as badly as they did against Florida! Your star running back couldn't do anything! It would have been hilarious if he had tried to break off an 80 yard run and outrun all of LSU's fastest safety's. He's fat and slow! Also, LSU's total yardage output was, like, 10 times more than OSU's, because OSU sucks! And, by the way, it's Tressel's fault. He's like the most overrated coach over. I mean, come on- has he ever beaten any teams in the top 10, like ever? Has he ever gotten anything other than 2nd place? I don't remember him ever winning any big games, ever.Sportsbuck28;1063514; said:
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Grad and other much more knowledgeble folks than I (that would probably be most of you) I sometimes wonder if JT tries to do too much on offense. By the time he sets the table with his multiple plays, out of his multiple formations with his player sets, it seems that we haven't established anything and we're in the third quarter.
Against LSU there was a period where it seemed JT knew that he had to throw on 1st down, but even that became somewhat predictable, and when it was not successful, tOSU ran on second down for short gains bringing up predictable 3rd and longs.
I know that JT is known as being conservative, but sometimes it seems to me like he tricks himself by trying to disguise trends instead of just throwing it around (with Troy, Gonzo, Ginn) or pounding it down your throat (with Beanie)
I'm not trying to be disparaging, as I'm old enough to realize we are living in a golden age for tOSU football.
I don't know, as I said, I'm a neophyte when it comes to coaching philosophies and strategies, just thought I'd throw it out for discussion/disection
Against LSU there was a period where it seemed JT knew that he had to throw on 1st down, but even that became somewhat predictable, and when it was not successful, tOSU ran on second down for short gains bringing up predictable 3rd and longs.
I know that JT is known as being conservative, but sometimes it seems to me like he tricks himself by trying to disguise trends instead of just throwing it around (with Troy, Gonzo, Ginn) or pounding it down your throat (with Beanie)
I'm not trying to be disparaging, as I'm old enough to realize we are living in a golden age for tOSU football.
I don't know, as I said, I'm a neophyte when it comes to coaching philosophies and strategies, just thought I'd throw it out for discussion/disection
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Sportsbuck28
Here comes the BOOM
At first, I took this seriously.. sarcasm font next time!xcrunner;1063526; said:
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daveeb
Hall of Fame
I'm kind of confused on why Todd Boeckman never goes to his checkdown. I mean, why isn't there a high percentage throw for him to complete? Like, a 4 yard pass to his TE, or a short dump off to his RB?
And, why isn't the major talent available in space for Ohio State being used? For instance, Brandon Saine has proven to be able to catch the ball and run with it. Why not throw it to him? It will certainly spread out the opponents defense, and make the opponent focus on the people up close (Making deep balls easier to throw).
I do wonder why RB's and TE's are not more involved in the offense. In fact, I have the statistics for Jim Tressel's first 7 years as Ohio State head coach in front of me.
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2001
Darnell Sanders, TE, 13 for 141, TD
Jonathan Wells, RB, 11 for 117
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2002
Ben Hartsock, TE, 17 for 137, 2 TD
Maurice Clarett, RB, 12 for 104, 2 TD
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2003
Ben Hartsock, TE, 33 for 290, 2 TD
Lydell Ross, RB, 13 for 98
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2004
Ryan Hamby, TE, 16 for 178, 1 TD
Lydell Ross, RB, 6 for 49
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2005
Ryan Hamby, TE, 9 for 85
Antonio Pittman, RB, 17 for 161
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2006
Rory Nicol, TE, 13 for 151, 3 TD
Antonio Pittman, RB, 14 for 127
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2007
Jake Ballard, TE, 13 for 149, 2 TD
Brandon Saine, RB, 12 for 160, 1 TD
That is my only complaint about Jim's offense.
And, why isn't the major talent available in space for Ohio State being used? For instance, Brandon Saine has proven to be able to catch the ball and run with it. Why not throw it to him? It will certainly spread out the opponents defense, and make the opponent focus on the people up close (Making deep balls easier to throw).
I do wonder why RB's and TE's are not more involved in the offense. In fact, I have the statistics for Jim Tressel's first 7 years as Ohio State head coach in front of me.
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2001
Darnell Sanders, TE, 13 for 141, TD
Jonathan Wells, RB, 11 for 117
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2002
Ben Hartsock, TE, 17 for 137, 2 TD
Maurice Clarett, RB, 12 for 104, 2 TD
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2003
Ben Hartsock, TE, 33 for 290, 2 TD
Lydell Ross, RB, 13 for 98
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2004
Ryan Hamby, TE, 16 for 178, 1 TD
Lydell Ross, RB, 6 for 49
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2005
Ryan Hamby, TE, 9 for 85
Antonio Pittman, RB, 17 for 161
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2006
Rory Nicol, TE, 13 for 151, 3 TD
Antonio Pittman, RB, 14 for 127
TE/RB receiving leaders for 2007
Jake Ballard, TE, 13 for 149, 2 TD
Brandon Saine, RB, 12 for 160, 1 TD
That is my only complaint about Jim's offense.
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GrizzlyBuck;1063529; said:
Griz, I can absolutely see that sometimes...but I also know that you don't get to that level without a method to the madness.
These guys watch more film in a week than you could imagine. There is a chart for every situation and a tendency for everything the opponent does.
You hear about Coaches scripting their first 10 plays or so...that is to get an idea on adjustments from the defense. How will they adjust if we motion Beanie out to 5 wide? Ok, now let's do this based on that...
As much as it is a chess game, it is also a game of simplicity...if you cannot maintain the trenches, you will likely lose. If you commit turnovers...you will likely lose. Penalty yards? Not good.
In no way am I saying JT is perfect or that he is innovative as an OC...what I will say is that the man knows his football and makes his decisions based on what the opponents have shown. However, as seen in the last two years, when the mortal sins of football are committed, you fall behind quickly...that takes your plan and tosses it out the window. Give a team like LSU or Florida the go-ahead to pin their ears back and bring it, and I dont care if you are USC, Texas, or anyone else in CFB...you are likely in trouble.
I have questions about the gameplan and the playcalling...however, I also have complete faith that JT would have an answer for my question and is definitely privy to something I either didn't know or didn't see.
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