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Buckeye Offensive Coordinator Discussion (merged)

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lvbuckeye;1064794; said:
ill defer to you, but IMHO, they dont have to adjust because Beanie (or any RB before him) has never gotten the ball in that situation. you actually have to show the defense that the threat of a screen pass to the RB out wide is real.
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The purpose isn't to utilize Beanie out there obviously. They motion Beanie to that spot with the sole purpose of trying to get an advantage on the defensive personal on the field.

I doubt you'd see a team send a nickel package in to defend Beanie in the backfield. So you put Beanie in the backfield, get 3 LB's on the field, motion him out wide, send Boeckman into shot-gun and try and exploit the weakness.

It would be interesting if we could motion out a guy like Lamaar Thomas so that threat is real. We tried with Mo Wells against Texas, but he just didn't have the hands.
 
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osugrad21;1063502; said:
Let's turn this around then...

Explain it to us...

Break down the plans...tell me why the offense chose certain formations. What did they hope to exploit? Why didnt it work? Why did it work?

Instead of simply saying, "Its terrible..." look at it...dissect it.

Can you do that or are you just one of those guys that sees winning and losing as the only measure of success?

The offense rolls, its because of talent. It goes stagnant, its because of Tressel?

That makes zero sense.
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I would love to break down my reasons, but I dont have the time nor desire.

But I will say this, the offense can roll with bad coaching purely due to the talent.
Talent cant always carry the team though (see LSU and Florida games) and its at these times when the coaches need to step up and get the team rolling again (and they didnt).

One final comment and the final stat sheet from the NC game says it all. LSU had around 8 guys get carries, and around 9 guys record receptions in the game. OSU had 3 and 4, respectively.
We have talent, its time to use it.
 
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osugrad21;1064874; said:
A stat line is your main argument?

I'd rather hear you break down formations for us...let's talk some X's and O's.
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Well, yeah.
My argument is that there is no creativity in playcalling, and that not spreading the ball around makes the already vanilla offense that much more predictable, and that stat line proves that point.
 
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strohs;1064882; said:
Well, yeah.
My argument is that there is no creativity in playcalling, and that not spreading the ball around makes the already vanilla offense that much more predictable, and that stat line proves that point.
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I guess creativity is my sticking point...what is creative to people? What level do we need to get to for it to be creative? JT threw out a few wrinkles...but do we need the Pole Cat like Tennessee (Titans) started out with last week?

I think you can have some gimmicks for sure...but I also think you have a bread & butter scheme that you live with.

I definitely would have loved to have seen some things, but I really don't think it is as bad as you are saying...
 
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osugrad21;1064887; said:
I guess creativity is my sticking point...what is creative to people? What level do we need to get to for it to be creative? JT threw out a few wrinkles...but do we need the Pole Cat like Tennessee (Titans) started out with last week?

I think you can have some gimmicks for sure...but I also think you have a bread & butter scheme that you live with.

I definitely would have loved to have seen some things, but I really don't think it is as bad as you are saying...
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I am not a big fan of gimmicks, but I think you need to run a couple in a game like that to get the defense thinking.

For creativity all I want are plays designed to take advantage of what the defense is giving you, and to spread the ball around.
Again, try to keep them on their toes a little more.

What bothers me the most is that we had 51 days to prepare for that game, and we came out with the same offense that LSU had been watching on film for weeks.
 
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strohs;1065006; said:
What bothers me the most is that we had 51 days to prepare for that game, and we came out with the same offense that LSU had been watching on film for weeks.
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Seriously. What game did Saine line up as a tight end that LSU would have seen it? What game did Beanie go out as a flanker?

The sets that we ran plays out of in the first few series were some that I had not seen all year. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
 
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Saine did well with those plays. But, they are not bread and butter plays, they were designed to get big yardage. Are bread and butter is Beanie on the iso.
We attacked them the best we could with our personel/style.
 
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Taosman;1065408; said:
Saine did well with those plays. But, they are not bread and butter plays, they were designed to get big yardage. Are bread and butter is Beanie on the iso.
We attacked them the best we could with our personel/style.
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I respectfully disagree. Could we have run a bootleg and thrown it to Jake Ballard or Rory Nicol? Henton in the spread option for a change up? Flare pass against press man with their safeties playing over the top deep? Roll out pass away from blitz? What did you see that I didn't that makes you so impressed with the play calling against LSU?

I'm not a coach and don't claim to know more than JT or anyone on the staff, but with that said I think this team could benefit from a full time O. C. to spread the ball around a little more and be more well rounded.

Before you say the following I know we got behind with some errors and it was a bit of a factor in our play calling, Grad accurately pointed that out earlier and i agreed fully, but predictable doesn't get it done either.

I've never been overly impressed with our offensive schemes. I agree with Strohs it just doesn't seem to be what it could be considering the talent we have.

HB
 
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Holy Buckeye!;1065556; said:
I've never been overly impressed with our offensive schemes. I agree with Strohs it just doesn't seem to be what it could be considering the talent we have.

HB
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If I'm not mistaken; I believe I heard/read that this year's offense was very close in output to last year's squad. If that is the case; then I would have to disagree even more fervently.
 
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Playcalling was not the problem last week. Execution and discipline were. This was a young team that got much, much further than just about anyone thought despite a serious lack of Sr. leadership. Had you been told back in August that this team would be playing in the BCSCG, would you think there would be any criticism at season's end? I sure as hell would not. Look at the team that beat us...loaded with veterans and Sr. leaders. Next season the bar is going to be much higher. Lets see how we all feel next January. Right now this discussion is a bit absurd.
 
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