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Buckeye Offensive Coordinator Discussion (merged)

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muffler dragon;1065401; said:
Seriously. What game did Saine line up as a tight end that LSU would have seen it? What game did Beanie go out as a flanker?

The sets that we ran plays out of in the first few series were some that I had not seen all year. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
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IIRC, Saine ran out of tight end (Or just off the tight end) a few times this season..
 
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Holy Buckeye!;1065556; said:
I respectfully disagree. Could we have run a bootleg and thrown it to Jake Ballard or Rory Nicol? Henton in the spread option for a change up? Flare pass against press man with their safeties playing over the top deep? Roll out pass away from blitz? What did you see that I didn't that makes you so impressed with the play calling against LSU?
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Eh, but I can also see the reasoning...fast defenses are attacked straight ahead. As long as they were sitting in a man under 2 shell or press 2...the flats were not there. Connect on a few of those deep throws or smash routes and you soften that up...then what you are describing becomes available. I can see what you are saying...I think it is a crucial part of a power running game, but I also don't think it was there the other night without success in other areas.

Success in one area means an adjustment is made defensively...that equals something else being open. A defense always gives something up or is thin in one area...however, if the offense doesn't execute to exploit that...well, it makes for a long night.
 
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osugrad21;1064854; said:
:) LV, it was just the first example that popped in my head...the point remains the same. The script is used to see adjustments...
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i was dissapointed we didn't try a wr screen to beanie. 1 on 1 with either a cb or lb... *shrug* im fairly shocked we haven't thrown the ball hardly at all to beanie. i was also expecting a te screen at some point.
 
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osugrad21;1064854; said:
:) LV, it was just the first example that popped in my head...the point remains the same. The script is used to see adjustments...
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i get that. LSU adjusted by blitzing when Beanie went out wide. that didn't fare too well for the S&G.

muffler dragon;1065401; said:
Seriously. What game did Saine line up as a tight end that LSU would have seen it? What game did Beanie go out as a flanker?

The sets that we ran plays out of in the first few series were some that I had not seen all year. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
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Saine lined up at TE (or H-back) against Washington and Penn State to name two right off the top of my head. as for when Beanie split out wide, they've been sending the RB out wide since at least 2002. my memory gets kind of fuzzy WRT '01.

my point is that other than CK's draws against the Canes in the Fiesta, they don't ever DO anything with that other than drop back and pass. LSU didn't even care when Beanie went out wide. they knew there wasn't anything fancy coming, so they just blitzed. and it worked.

i actually like the offense. i don't want to seem like i'm bashing because i'm not. i just think our quick passing game could be so much better. there are no slip screens, no bubble screens. nearly no quick tosses at all. it's either a slant, a quick out or nothing. and we almost never see the quick out. and considering how well our WRs block in the running game, i'm sure they'd excel in the passing game as well...

i've been calling for it for two years. we'll be in the power-I, the defense will have 9 guys in the box, the FS is creeping up, and the lone CB is 5 yards off and looking in. why can't the QB recognize that, take the snap, and throw it IMMEDIATELY to the WR? one step drop. USC used to march up and down the field with Mike Williams by doing just that.

i dunno. maybe i should send coach Tressel an email. he ran that Statue of Liberty play that the 83 year old lady from Akron recommended, maybe he'd listen to me... (yeah right, like i'll ever send him an email.)
 
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NFBuck;1065609; said:
Playcalling was not the problem last week. Execution and discipline were. This was a young team that got much, much further than just about anyone thought despite a serious lack of Sr. leadership. Had you been told back in August that this team would be playing in the BCSCG, would you think there would be any criticism at season's end? I sure as hell would not. Look at the team that beat us...loaded with veterans and Sr. leaders. Next season the bar is going to be much higher. Lets see how we all feel next January. Right now this discussion is a bit absurd.
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I am going to disagree with your assertion that playcalling was not a problem. I don't know much about X's and O's, and even I was able to predict whether we were going to run or throw the ball with 75% accuracy, even early in the game when we were leading.

Also, lacked of discipline killed us, but it is not as if that is all that was at fault. By his own admission, PC hired someone else to take over the DC position because hew was feeling overwhelmed. It isn't necessary for a HC to take over as much responsibilities as possible. IMO I think JT should offload his OC duties to someone else and not spread himself so thin. It's all about necessity and practicality. He may be an excellent OC, but if that doesn't translate to the field due to various reasons, it is only practical to get a new OC.
 
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Ant80 wrote
"PC hired someone else to take over the DC position because hew was feeling overwhelmed. It isn't necessary for a HC to take over as much responsibilities as possible. IMO I think JT should offload his OC duties to someone else and not spread himself so thin. It's all about necessity and practicality. He may be an excellent OC, but if that doesn't translate to the field due to various reasons, it is only practical to get a new OC."

I agree Ant, JT may be a tremendous OC, but that does not mean it's easy to be both HC and OC. I saw that Marylands coach (having brain fade on name, I can see the lean shapely fella in my head :biggrin:) just hired an OC because he said it was just becoming overwhelming and he knew his team was suffering from his being stretched too thin (wow that would be hard with him) I'm not saying JT needs to do this, but if guys in the know are right about JT always evaluating everything, I wonder if this will cross his mind.
 
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Taosman;1066901; said:
Betcha Chow gets another NFL assistant coaching gig.
He would have to be offered big money(head coaching ) money to go back to a college team.
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Taos - not saying the rumors about Chow's interest in Ohio State (or vice-versa) are anywhere near true - though it would be cool as hell.

But, there is no reason to believe that Chow would get an auto-bid to be an OC at another pro team. He had communication issues with Vince Young, he was always a poor interview for pro jobs - not sufficiently assertive. Chow has built his reputation in the College game. Point being, he may just be better disposed emotionally and by disposition to be an OC or Assistant HC in College.

If he doesn't get a lifeline from USC or his older stomping grounds (BYU) then I could easily see him opting to return to another college with a need to develop Quarterbacks and Offensive schemes.

And that is why the unlikely option of him donning a Gray sweater vest would be optimally cool.
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But, there is no way I think that happens. :wink2:
 
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GrizzlyBuck;1066946; said:
Ant80 wrote
"PC hired someone else to take over the DC position because hew was feeling overwhelmed. It isn't necessary for a HC to take over as much responsibilities as possible. IMO I think JT should offload his OC duties to someone else and not spread himself so thin. It's all about necessity and practicality. He may be an excellent OC, but if that doesn't translate to the field due to various reasons, it is only practical to get a new OC."

I agree Ant, JT may be a tremendous OC, but that does not mean it's easy to be both HC and OC. I saw that Marylands coach (having brain fade on name, I can see the lean shapely fella in my head :biggrin:) just hired an OC because he said it was just becoming overwhelming and he knew his team was suffering from his being stretched too thin (wow that would be hard with him) I'm not saying JT needs to do this, but if guys in the know are right about JT always evaluating everything, I wonder if this will cross his mind.
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It's completely understandable that a Head coach can get overtasked.


So just for conversation who do you think would be a good choice for the Full-time Offensive Coordinator position? Please, don't say JT, I think we all understand he is a great coach. :roll2:

HB
 
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Holy Buckeye, I'm am wholly unaware of who is out there that would be a good fit conceptually and philosophically with JT and our staff. I might throw out a Walt Harris, for an oldy, but I thought a goody (as an OC at least) or maybe someone up and coming like Major Applewhite (sp)

You are right this is just for conversations sake, I have no idea if JT feels overtasked, or if anyone else could do better than him as OC, just wondering if in his post season evaluation, how he will grade himself as an OC and if he finds himself lacking, what his response will be.
 
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