ScarletBlood31
Buckeye in Blacksburg
wow, why do i feel even more uncertain after reading that article than i already was?
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stagtennis
Rose Bowl Bound!!!!
That's exactly my point. It would be a similar situation to the way the Pats offense is now. Tressel will be in control with a young gun coach assisting him in play calling. Mcdaniels could also be an excellent tutor to our QB's. This could be an option where Tresel would not have to lose ownership of the offense.
His father is the legendary high school coach at Warren Harding and formelry the coach at Canton Mckinley. He has two state titles to his name. Josh played for him and has been groomed to coach, similar to Tressel. Tressel and the elder Mcdaniels have known each other for years.
His father is the legendary high school coach at Warren Harding and formelry the coach at Canton Mckinley. He has two state titles to his name. Josh played for him and has been groomed to coach, similar to Tressel. Tressel and the elder Mcdaniels have known each other for years.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
From the New England Patriots Official Bio
Josh McDaniels Quarterbacks<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
</TD><TD class=defaultText vAlign=top width="100%">Year: 5 Yrs/Pat: 5
School: John Carroll University
Born: Canton OH
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=defaultText colSpan=2>Personal
<HR>Josh McDaniels was born in Canton, Ohio and attended Canton McKinley High School. He was a quarterback and kicker for McKinley, and was featured in Sports Illustrated. His father, Thom McDaniels, was a longtime head coach at McKinley High and is currently the head coach at Warren Harding High in Warren, Ohio. Josh and his wife Laura have a son, Jack Thomas.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=defaultText colSpan=2>Coaching History
<HR>Josh McDaniels enters his fifth NFL season and his fifth season in New England. He joined the Patriots on March 1, 2001 as a personnel assistant in the scouting department and assisted the defensive coaching staff for three seasons. He is in his second season as the Patriots' quarterbacks coach.
In 2004, McDaniels earned his first positional coaching responsibilities and worked with Tom Brady to help the quarterback produce the highest passer rating of his career (92.9) and the second highest single-season passer rating in team history. Brady's 28 touchdown passes ranked second in the AFC and tied his career high set in 2002. Additionally, Brady consistently completed longer passes than in previous seasons, averaging 7.79 yards per attempt – more than a full yard higher than his career mark of 6.62 yards per attempt heading into the season. Brady also set a career high in 2004 by earning a passer rating over 100.0 in 10 games. Upon his arrival in New England prior to the 2001 season, McDaniels served as a personnel assistant and quickly expanded his role to include film breakdown and scouting preparation for the defensive coaching staff. He became coaching assistant in February of 2002. In that role, his responsibilities included film breakdown and scouting chart preparations for the defensive staff. In 2003, he drew additional responsibilities working with the defensive backs. McDaniels began his coaching career in 1999 as a graduate assistant at Michigan State, working under head coach Nick Saban.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=defaultText colSpan=2>Playing
<HR>McDaniels attended John Carroll University, where he played wide receiver for the Blue Streaks. He was a college teammate of Patriots Director of Pro Personnel Nick Caserio, who played quarterback for John Carroll from 1996-99.
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BTW, Interesting suggestion
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Would it help? Yes, NE does more with less than anyone in the NFL and Weiss is doing that at ND now.
Is there a chance in hell of it happening? No, You aren't going to get an NFL assistant to come to a college for pretty much the same position that he has in the NFL, even with the promise that he can be the next HC in 15-20 years. IE- Dean Pees left the HC position at Kent State to be the LB coach at NE (even though he will be the DC at Miami next year). The NFL can pay a lot more than CFB.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
I still think that we need someone to step up at the back up running back position, that could give us QUALITY minutes.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
if he was actually handed the reins of the offense, then this would be a possibility. however, that will never happen, nor would his addition to the staff.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
and i would counter that until the coaches let Wells and Haw get some meaningful snaps, there is no way that we can know if they will produce quality minutes.
Wells is a fucking PARADE ALL AMERICAN... the last time i checked, those guys usually pan out. but he hasn't been given a chance. this is partially because of Tressel's philosophy of shortening the game and keeping things close... i just can't help but think that maybe if we hadn't been in so many close games in '02 and '03, then the younger guys could have gotten some quality snaps, and there wouldn't have been such a huge drop-off in '04... sure we had 14 draft picks on the '03 roster, but you would think that a team with that much talent would have been putting teams away and getting some experience for the younger guys... but that didn't happen, and we ended up with a bunch of guys who were not aware of the rigors of Big Ten football...
so... what happens next year? can we expect the same level of excellence from our D as this year? i sure as hell am not counting on it. therefore, the offense will need to produce more points... alas, i have no confidence at this point that the O will improve...
we have all this talent and depth, but that depth is being ignored... instead of getting Dukes or Lyons or Robiskie (who's redshirt has been burned for ONE FUCKING DRIVE) in on a play here and a drive there, we run out Santonio, TG2 and Gonzo EVERY SINGLE TIME. maybe if Holmes foot is so baged up, he should take it easy one week and see what those other guys can do...
maybe we should let Haw or Wells get the snaps on the second drive of the game instead of the last where you are just calling dive plays up the middle to burn clock...
this shit is killing me.
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Lyons is hurt. He's the only one of those wideouts with experience. I agree they need to see the field somewhat, but last time we saw Dukes on the field he couldn't hold onto the ball. I also want to say Robiskie has played more than one drive (even if that meant special teams).
part of the reason we had a big drop-off in '04 is b/c of the bare cupboard from Cooper before his departure.
part of the reason we had a big drop-off in '04 is b/c of the bare cupboard from Cooper before his departure.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
While Chris Wells will help the situation, quotes like the following from JT will not make it easy to keep an influx of offensive talent on the team:
It's quotes like these that will sink his ship. Quite similar to Jim O'Brien's comment that if you want a perennial final 4 team, go cheer for Duke or UNC pretty much sunk his ship for the most part. Had the NCAA violations not occurred, JOB was not long for this university anyway.
JT is going to be in the same situation quite soon if there arent some changes made.
It's quotes like these that will sink his ship. Quite similar to Jim O'Brien's comment that if you want a perennial final 4 team, go cheer for Duke or UNC pretty much sunk his ship for the most part. Had the NCAA violations not occurred, JOB was not long for this university anyway.
JT is going to be in the same situation quite soon if there arent some changes made.
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FritoBandito
Lover of salty snacks
In lieu of four separate rants, here are four quick opinions, packaged conveniently in a single, easy-to-digest post (no name-calling or 'bad humor' anywhere here):
1. Somehow, Mich St. and NW have found ways to deploy their two stellar Ohio-bred Freshman RBs, Javon Ringer (Dayton) and Tyrell Sutton (Akron). We passed on those guys in order to seal the deal with Maurice Wells. But we can't seem to figure out a way to deploy Mo's speed and quickness in this offense. Did we take the wrong guy or are we failing miserably to use his skills?
2. Without exacerbating the Troy v. Justin argument by taking sides ...how good do you suppose either one of them would be at this point in his career if the staff had picked one starting QB and stuck with him through thick and thin? That's called Player Development and at the QB position our player development has been near criminal. We've taken two Elite Eleven QBs and coached them both into mediocrity. You wouldn't think such a thing would be possible, but this staff has done it.
3. 'Senator Tressel', 'Tress-speak', etc. This man has a much bigger job than just being a front man with the media. You can hire guys to do that for a lot less than JT earns. He is responsible for leading, coaching and educating 100 or so young men, and for supervising an entire professional staff of coaches, trainers, secretaries, et al. Every word he utters to the media is heard or read by the people under his charge. He cannot blab on promiscuously in front of a bunch of reporters just to make them happy or to write their stories for them.
JT owes a debt of responsibility to all those people who have placed their faith in him; by choosing to attend tOSU, or by agreeing to join his staff. He honors that responsibility as well as any leader I can think of -- in sports, politics, or corporate life. So if he doesn't always tell us every damn thing that's on his mind, I'm fine with that. He's got bigger fish to fry.
4. The 'Spread Offense' as run by Woody. We have a group of players, especially at receiver, who should give us an offense that runs like a Ferrari -- a bright red one for home games. But we run it like it's a Jeep. Someone needs to put the 'Spread' back in the Spread Offense by throwing the damn ball downfield. Short slants to Santonio, quick screens to Teddy behind the line of scrimmage or dump-offs to Hamby do nothing but keep the defense nice and close to the action. Nothing on this offense happens further than 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. That's very convenient for defenders, who don't have to run far to make their tackles, but it's not a 'Spread'.
Send the fast guys long! If they double Teddy, that's two defenders who are away from the action. If Santonio and Gonzo take another two, we're now down to 7-in-the-box instead of the usual 8 or 9. Pittman ought to be able to run through that. If he can't, we could get really racey and let Mo Wells have a try. Actually, not a try -- more like 10 to 15, maybe even a whole half, so we can really see what he can do. Staff thought he was better than Javon Ringer or Tyrell Sutton last year. Maybe they ought to test their hypothesis this year on the field.
I expect this offense will get a lot better by year-end. Several folks' jobs are on the line. But closing out the season in the Ferrari doesn't excuse the foolishness of driving the Jeep against Texas and Penn State. The season starts in September, guys, not in November.
1. Somehow, Mich St. and NW have found ways to deploy their two stellar Ohio-bred Freshman RBs, Javon Ringer (Dayton) and Tyrell Sutton (Akron). We passed on those guys in order to seal the deal with Maurice Wells. But we can't seem to figure out a way to deploy Mo's speed and quickness in this offense. Did we take the wrong guy or are we failing miserably to use his skills?
2. Without exacerbating the Troy v. Justin argument by taking sides ...how good do you suppose either one of them would be at this point in his career if the staff had picked one starting QB and stuck with him through thick and thin? That's called Player Development and at the QB position our player development has been near criminal. We've taken two Elite Eleven QBs and coached them both into mediocrity. You wouldn't think such a thing would be possible, but this staff has done it.
3. 'Senator Tressel', 'Tress-speak', etc. This man has a much bigger job than just being a front man with the media. You can hire guys to do that for a lot less than JT earns. He is responsible for leading, coaching and educating 100 or so young men, and for supervising an entire professional staff of coaches, trainers, secretaries, et al. Every word he utters to the media is heard or read by the people under his charge. He cannot blab on promiscuously in front of a bunch of reporters just to make them happy or to write their stories for them.
JT owes a debt of responsibility to all those people who have placed their faith in him; by choosing to attend tOSU, or by agreeing to join his staff. He honors that responsibility as well as any leader I can think of -- in sports, politics, or corporate life. So if he doesn't always tell us every damn thing that's on his mind, I'm fine with that. He's got bigger fish to fry.
4. The 'Spread Offense' as run by Woody. We have a group of players, especially at receiver, who should give us an offense that runs like a Ferrari -- a bright red one for home games. But we run it like it's a Jeep. Someone needs to put the 'Spread' back in the Spread Offense by throwing the damn ball downfield. Short slants to Santonio, quick screens to Teddy behind the line of scrimmage or dump-offs to Hamby do nothing but keep the defense nice and close to the action. Nothing on this offense happens further than 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. That's very convenient for defenders, who don't have to run far to make their tackles, but it's not a 'Spread'.
Send the fast guys long! If they double Teddy, that's two defenders who are away from the action. If Santonio and Gonzo take another two, we're now down to 7-in-the-box instead of the usual 8 or 9. Pittman ought to be able to run through that. If he can't, we could get really racey and let Mo Wells have a try. Actually, not a try -- more like 10 to 15, maybe even a whole half, so we can really see what he can do. Staff thought he was better than Javon Ringer or Tyrell Sutton last year. Maybe they ought to test their hypothesis this year on the field.
I expect this offense will get a lot better by year-end. Several folks' jobs are on the line. But closing out the season in the Ferrari doesn't excuse the foolishness of driving the Jeep against Texas and Penn State. The season starts in September, guys, not in November.
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ysubuck
Be water my friend.
Agreed that Ohio State doesn't have a back up tailback right now.
IMO, this is going to be a glaring weakness at some point in the near future. Pittman isn't going to hold up with his running style. He's not a bruiser, but he plays like one and that is going to come back and bite him.
If Schnittker is the featured tailback at any point this season (other than Indiana and Illinois) then that game is in serious question.
As was pointed out earlier, this is another by product of Tressel ball. There are not meaningful minutes for any of the back ups or young kids.
I would love to see Boekman, Wells, Haw get some meaningful 2nd or 3rd quarter snaps, but it isn't going to happen because most of the games are so close.
IMO, this is going to be a glaring weakness at some point in the near future. Pittman isn't going to hold up with his running style. He's not a bruiser, but he plays like one and that is going to come back and bite him.
If Schnittker is the featured tailback at any point this season (other than Indiana and Illinois) then that game is in serious question.
As was pointed out earlier, this is another by product of Tressel ball. There are not meaningful minutes for any of the back ups or young kids.
I would love to see Boekman, Wells, Haw get some meaningful 2nd or 3rd quarter snaps, but it isn't going to happen because most of the games are so close.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
I too would like to see more of Wells and Haw, but I think Tress likes to use schnit for some reason.
Also I am sure that alot of the reasons we are not seeing those guys are b/c of what they are doing in practice.
Also Robiske has been in more than one play. He has been getting meaningful snaps. Lyons is hurt and Dukes well I don't know. Maybe the fact that Holmes, Ginn, and Gonzo are better than him.
I think two places we are lacking are depth at rb and te.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
didn't know Devon was hurt...
and part of the reason for the drop-off was the MoC debacle, but good teams find a way to score anyway...
i just think that the O-staff isn't using the kids the way they should be used... we went to a spread last year because JZ struggled in the pro-sets... well, JZ went down, and we went with TS... unfortunately, JZ is the spread QB, and TS is an under-center guy who is more comfortable running options from power sets... JZ possesses the ability to stand in the 'gun, look the D over, determine who will be open, and get the ball out. like it or not, TS doesn't have that kind of vision... remember that JZ won a state title while running a spread attack... i hate to keep beating this dead horse, but wasn't anyone else astounded with how crisp the O looked whe JZ came in during the SDSU and Iowa games? he just went tight down the field like it was no problem, yet TS struggles mightily with his reads... if TS gives us a better chance to win simply because he's more athletic, then let him play RB... he's 6'0" 215 LBs... line both of them in the backfield and see what happens...
i just think that the O-staff is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole, and it hurts to watch...
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
I hate the qb debate, but I will give you this there are reasons unknown to anyone of us Why TS is starting. We have no idea what goes on at practice, lockeroom, sidelines, and game field.
I for one am a TS supporter and just say that he had a bad game against PSU. How quickly we forget against Iowa he had a helluva a game.
I think that either way we need to execute whoever the qb is. I really don't think either qb is much better than the other, but I do think that the coaches like the things that TS does better.
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