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2017 Offensive Coordinator Discussion

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Oh8ch said:
The names of established coaches being mentioned don't excite me.

I want the next Tom Herman. I want the hungry innovator who can look at a team and see what established coaches may have a hard time seeing.
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I want Mike Yurcich....but only bc I'm close to Shippensburg. I don't know how well his passing attack would mesh with a run game we need.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Can someone please explain the fascination with Helfrich.. I get it Mariota did well "under" his tutelage but Chip Kelly was there in the beginning then Frost... I just dont get it. If he was that hot or great there would be other teams beating down the door to hire the guy, yet they are not.
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I think it isn't just the development of Mariota but the offensive philosophy Helfrich used when he took the HC job at Oregon. I think it aligns better with Urban Meyer wanting to run a balanced attack. He also knew when to use tempo and was better about not gasing out the defense.

Chip Kelly would be a short term answer, most likely only a season. Kevin Wilson has his question marks.

Helfrich would be a longer term answer to OC/QB coach. If he took the job he would be working towards getting a shot at another big program. I doubt he will leave to go to a smaller school to work that ladder. Any athletic director will want him to prove over multiple seasons that he is the reason for the offense success, on the field and in recruiting. One of his knocks was not being able to recruit another QB after Mariota. I could see him being with the Buckeyes for at least 3 seasons to prove all of this.
 
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Helfrich, IMO, was never ready for a HC gig. I think he's best fit as an OC. During that NC Game, he had great schemes offensively. They just could not execute against our nasty defense.

Things he brings to the table:
-Isn't afraid of calling workhorse RB plays
-Isn't afraid to test defenses deep
-Runs quick slants
-Runs misdirections and end arounds effectively
-Doesn't kill QB's


What's not to love?
 
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What was disconcerting this year was the number of times the press brought up things like Samuel touches, runs in the first half against Clemson and others. Meyers response a lot of the time was I didn't know that or I need to see the tape. He may need to become more engaged ..I have sensed a little complacency all around the program after the NC win. You can't live in the past ..don't look back cause someone may be gaining on you...
 
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Onebuckfan said:
What was disconcerting this year was the number of times the press brought up things like Samuel touches, runs in the first half against Clemson and others. Meyers response a lot of the time was I didn't know that or I need to see the tape. He may need to become more engaged ..I have sensed a little complacency all around the program after the NC win. You can't live in the past ..don't look back cause someone may be gaining on you...
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In the postgame presser when he was told he had passed on 21 of 27 plays in the first half he said he didn't know that as well. Said that wasn't the plan and they hadn't followed the plan. Makes you wonder just how much is being delegated.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
What was disconcerting this year was the number of times the press brought up things like Samuel touches, runs in the first half against Clemson and others. Meyers response a lot of the time was I didn't know that or I need to see the tape. He may need to become more engaged ..I have sensed a little complacency all around the program after the NC win. You can't live in the past ..don't look back cause someone may be gaining on you...
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What was disconcerting to me was that when Meyer said we needed to get Samuel the ball more, the solution the offensive coaches came up with was 1) just putting him in the backfield and handing the ball off to him- see: Wisconsin 2) just throwing him the ball in the flats- see: Clemson.

Just getting him the ball in the most simple ways possible is not the answer. You still need a scheme that exploits the defense by utilizing your most explosive weapon in creative ways.

The utter lack of utilizing Braxton last year was a travesty- to highlight that this isn't a recent issue with these coaches.
 
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jwinslow said:
It took 2.5 years for Meyer to listen to what he wasn't seeing. That's why Wilson is so appealing. Helfrich is an interesting fallback.
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Too many question marks with Wilson and what happened at Indiana to get him fired. I like Helfrich. I think he is a good coach that ran into the same situation the OSU has been going through the past two years. He had a good offensive coordinator (Scott Frost) in his first three years at Oregon. When Frost left things fell off quickly with Matt Lubick.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp said:
Too many question marks with Wilson and what happened at Indiana to get him fired. I like Helfrich. I think he is a good coach that ran into the same situation the OSU has been going through the past two years. He had a good offensive coordinator (Scott Frost) in his first three years at Oregon. When Frost left things fell off quickly with Matt Lubick.
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I'm personally less impressed with Helfrich.

Seems to me that he coasted off of Chip Kelly's system for the first year or two, and then relied on one of the most efficient QBs in the history of CFB (Mariotta) for the rest of his tenure. As soon as he needed to innovate and update the system to match newer players that were recruited under him, Oregon fell apart.

At the best, he's a wild unknown. At the worst, he's no improvement over what we have now.
 
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redguard117 said:
I'm personally less impressed with Helfrich.

Seems to me that he coasted off of Chip Kelly's system for the first year or two, and then relied on one of the most efficient QBs in the history of CFB (Mariotta) for the rest of his tenure. As soon as he needed to innovate and update the system to match newer players that were recruited under him, Oregon fell apart.

At the best, he's a wild unknown. At the worst, he's no improvement over what we have now.
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i wonder who it is that urban will go to for advice. someone on the current staff (ie schiano) and or someone outside the organization (bruce, holtz)?
 
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redguard117 said:
Seems to me that he coasted off of Chip Kelly's system for the first year or two, and then relied on one of the most efficient QBs in the history of CFB (Mariotta) for the rest of his tenure. As soon as he needed to innovate and update the system to match newer players that were recruited under him, Oregon fell apart.
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Who's fault is that? The Head Coach or the OC? If it is Helfrich then we should be blaming Urban for what happened the past two years. We are not. We are blaming Beck.
 
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