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2017 Offensive Coordinator Discussion

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Buckeye86 said:
What was disconcerting to me was that when Meyer said we needed to get Samuel the ball more, the solution the offensive coaches came up with was 1) just putting him in the backfield and handing the ball off to him- see: Wisconsin 2) just throwing him the ball in the flats- see: Clemson.

Just getting him the ball in the most simple ways possible is not the answer. You still need a scheme that exploits the defense by utilizing your most explosive weapon in creative ways.

The utter lack of utilizing Braxton last year was a travesty- to highlight that this isn't a recent issue with these coaches.
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Simple or not, give the guy the damn ball going N&S as fast as possible. Let him beat 1 defender instead of taking forever to get him the ball and making him face four of them.

I will say that the camera man didn't lose track of the ball near enough this season. Not a lot of magic happens without misdirection.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
The utter lack of utilizing Braxton last year was a travesty- to highlight that this isn't a recent issue with these coaches.
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There is no reason last year shouldn't have been a record-setting offense. The available talent was absurd. Instead, we got a "pretty good" offense that wasn't enough to even get to the playoff. That compounded with a couple of utter travesties and horrific QB regression this year is too much.

The difference between coaching on offense and defense is glaring. This year's defense was just as young as the offense and played at a championship-level until they simply broke down from overuse (and probably sheer frustration) against Clemson.

We have wasted two outstanding defenses because the offense couldn't figure it out despite an awful lot of available talent. That is inexcusable at a program like Ohio State.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp said:
Who's fault is that? The Head Coach or the OC? If it is Helfrich then we should be blaming Urban for what happened the past two years. We are not. We are blaming Beck.
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Apples and oranges.

We're not blaming Urban because Urban has a track record of success - he has 3 NCs and a longstanding reputation as an 'offensive guru'.

Helfrich does not have either, and failed as soon as he couldn't rely on the Chip Kelly system and Mariota.

I'm not saying he's definitely a bad offensive coach, since it could be the OC's fault. However, given that this is his first rodeo, at the best he's a wild unknown and at worst he's no better than what we have now.
 
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Who do you call first if you're Urban?

The first call has probably already happened, but I'm calling Chip Kelly, Kevin Wilson, and Mark Helfrich, and if I want to, I can make room for all of them once the NCAA implements the addition of a tenth assistant coach here at some point in 2017. While I am talking to Kelly, however, I would be asking him about Helfrich, who has a very, very long history of coaching some very, very prolific quarterbacks, even going back to his days 17 years ago at Boise State. Helfrich and Tom Herman have something in common -- they both coached quarterbacks who won me my college fantasy football leagues. With Herman it was Chase Clement at Rice, and with Helfrich it was Bart Hendricks at Boise. If I was Urban Meyer, then this would be enough to convince me, clearly.

http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...ailbag-Lets-Just-Talk-Through-This-Thing-Okay

In conversations over the past few months with coaches across FBS, we suspect that most staffs would use an extra assistant in a similar, singular fashion: recruiting.

http://footballscoop.com/news/fbs-programs-will-use-10th-assistant-coach/

Didn't know about the 10th assistant......let's hope "recruiting assistant coach" has Beck's name all over it.....:boogie:
 
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redguard117 said:
I'm not saying he's definitely a bad offensive coach, since it could be the OC's fault. However, given that this is his first rodeo, at the best he's a wild unknown and at worst he's no better than what we have now.
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? Helfrich was Chip's QB coach and OC before becoming HC. Even as HC, offense wasn't the problem it was defense. He is nore than qualified to take on a QB coach/OC role
 
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NFBuck said:
To be clear, I can't fault Meyer for promoting Ed. He earned a shot. He took a shot on Beck, and while it has paid on the recruiting front, on the field it cost him possibly two title shots. They got two years, and at the end of two years the offense is totally broken. Learn from the mistakes, move on.
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Agree on Ed. Not sure why he thought Beck was worth his recruiting when his coaching track record is bad. But yeah, if he learns from his mistakes and can get some great coaches for the next couple of seasons then it'll be left in the past.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Agree on Ed. Not sure why he thought Beck was worth his recruiting when his coaching track record is bad. But yeah, if he learns from his mistakes and can get some great coaches for the next couple of seasons then it'll be left in the past.
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Simple... Beck was a lazy hire to try to keep Warriner in the fold and keep him happy. Due to the fact they had worked together at Kansas some years earlier the assumption was they would mesh well and become cohesive like Ed and Tom... clearly that didn't happen.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Simple... Beck was a lazy hire to try to keep Warriner in the fold and keep him happy. Due to the fact they had worked together at Kansas some years earlier the assumption was they would mesh well and become cohesive like Ed and Tom... clearly that didn't happen.
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Yeah I get that Ed was an integral part of the staff. It's funny how keeping him was maybe the worst choice Meyer made since the Withers hire.
 
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The last two years will go down as a cautionary tale about both promoting from within, and hiring friends of employees. If Meyer is truly trying to create the best program in college football, Warinner at OC/ Beck at QBC is not going to cut it. This time around, I hope Urban does his due diligence to make sure he hires two elite coaches.
 
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