2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[Jake]

If JT hasn't earned a start this week he never will, at least not this season. In my armchair opinion it's not even a difficult decision to demote CJ. Then again, I've been of that opinion for weeks.

 

[Hstead]

Get it under control, dude. Or step away from the keyboard until you can find a more mature way to express your thoughts.

And, pro tip--that day, Cardale was 19/33 for 288 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT; Barrett was 1/3 for 0 yards, 0 TDs, and 1 INT.

Urban said it should have been a 500 yard offensive day, mainly due to the under thrown balls, that were attributed to Cardales poor fundamentals and throwing off of his back foot. Cardale has not graded out Champion once this year. I believe if you asked Cardale, he would tell you he sucked on those deep throws that day.

 

[JXC]

If JT hasn't earned a start this week he never will, at least not this season. In my armchair opinion it's not even a difficult decision to demote CJ. Then again, I've been of that opinion for weeks.

I like how Urban notes there a lot that goes into the decision. It's a lot easier for us to just say, "CJ you're out. JT you're in," without having to be a part of these guys lives day in and day out. And I like that he notes that winning games is the most important thing, but it's not the only important thing.

Urban has to be the most questioned coach riding a 20 game winning streak in history.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Cardale has not graded out Champion once this year.

You really ought to consider checking your facts before you post things that are not correct.

I believe if you asked Cardale, he would tell you he sucked on those deep throws that day.

In my opinion, there is a difference between a player being critical of his own performance, and so-called "fans" trumpeting on a message board that an OSU player "sucked." But I guess that's just me.

 

[Jake]

I like how Urban notes there a lot that goes into the decision. It's a lot easier for us to just say, "CJ you're out. JT you're in," without having to be a part of these guys lives day in and day out. And I like that he notes that winning games is the most important thing, but it's not the only important thing.

Urban has to be the most questioned coach riding a 20 game winning streak in history.

It's Urban's fault for spoiling us.

 

[kippy1040]

It's Urban's fault for spoiling us.

Boy isn't that the truth

 

[Hstead]

You really ought to consider checking your facts before you post things that are not correct.



In my opinion, there is a difference between a player being critical of his own performance, and so-called "fans" trumpeting on a message board that an OSU player "sucked." But I guess that's just me.

Correct me if I am wrong, and I could be. I have watched all of Urbans pressers and he always reads who graded out and who did not. I have not heard him mention Cardale grading out yet, but I could have missed it too. Do you know of a game Cardale graded champion? Maybe vs Maryland, I might have missed that one.

"Sucked" doesn't bother me a bit, but that is me. If I screw up, I can say "man I sucked on that play". Doesn't hurt my feelings a bit.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Correct me if I am wrong, and I could be. I have watched all of Urbans pressers and he always reads who graded out and who did not. I have not heard him mention Cardale grading out yet, but I could have missed it too. Do you know of a game Cardale graded champion? Maybe vs Maryland, I might have missed that one.

I'll leave it to you to go look up where you were wrong. You'll find that you are.

"Sucked" doesn't bother me a bit, but that is me. If I screw up, I can say "man I sucked on that play". Doesn't hurt my feelings a bit.

I was at the game on Saturday, and there were plenty of "fans" in the stadium like you--screaming at the top of their lungs that Jones "sucks" and "is terrible" and worse. That segment of the fan base is embarrassing. If you can't be adult enough to watch the games without finding the need to rip OSU players, then perhaps college football isn't for you.

 

[Hstead]

I'll leave it to you to go look up where you were wrong. You'll find that you are.



I was at the game on Saturday, and there were plenty of "fans" in the stadium like you--screaming at the top of their lungs that Jones "sucks" and "is terrible" and worse. That segment of the fan base is embarrassing. If you can't be adult enough to watch the games without finding the need to rip OSU players, then perhaps college football isn't for you.

So you have heard me scream at the top of my lungs that Jones "sucks"? Interesting.

I played college football Chief. Pretty common locker room talk to call it like it is when you screw up, because I can promise you the Coach is going to say it more plainly and clearly than "sucked". I said Cardale "sucked that day" which he did, his deep balls were not good, they were quite bad, of which Urban and Cardale both acknowledged. He had a bad day on the deep ball. Does that make you feel better? Am I more politically correct now? Thanks for the help with that.

 

[OSUK]

Urban has to be the most questioned coach riding a 20 game winning streak in history.

This is so true!

However, one must leave open the possibility that the coaching staff pinned the season on a guy being able to do things that he can't/hasn't been able to do - and that they are reluctant to acknowledge that the evidence he can't/hasn't done them has reached the point where they need to go in another direction.

As a JT guy going back to January, the odds of me being right and Urban wrong are very, very small - but they are not zero.

 

[JXC]

This is so true!

However, one must leave open the possibility that the coaching staff pinned the season on a guy being able to do things that he can't/hasn't been able to do - and that they are reluctant to acknowledge that the evidence he can't/hasn't done them has reached the point where they need to go in another direction.

As a JT guy going back to January, the odds of me being right and Urban wrong are very, very small - but they are not zero.

It's not like Cardale hasn't been doing good things out there. You can't put his inaccurate throws last Saturday on the coaching staff, those same throws were spot on against Maryland. The coaching staff is trying to find the best way to win, and isn't just going to make snap decisions based on a few series in one game. Now that we have a bigger sample size of games, maybe they have more to go on. But it makes perfect sense to me why the coaching staff has done what they have done to this point. I don't think it's saving face or about wanting to be right. I think they just want to do what is best for these young men and what is best for the team as a whole. They couldn't care less, and shouldn't, about what is best for the fans.

 

[osubartender23]

It's not like Cardale hasn't been doing good things out there. You can't put his inaccurate throws last Saturday on the coaching staff, those same throws were spot on against Maryland. The coaching staff is trying to find the best way to win, and isn't just going to make snap decisions based on a few series in one game.

At this point though, is it really just a few series in one game? Cardale has done some good things out there and you cant discount that, but it seems that he is limited in what he can do in this Offense. His forte is the deep ball and right now he just isn't getting it done. The coaches seem to have found that the best way to win is to allow JT to be the red zone QB. JT did go out and prove on Saturday night that he is definitely not just a red zone QB(which we knew from last year). Has Cardale proven anything so far this year that leads you to believe that he is more than a QB who performs occasionally between the 20's? Over the last 2 games, JT has led 10 drives for touchdowns in the redzone. This is more than Cardale has led all year. That says it all right there to me. In my mind, JT has now earned the starting QB job and should be allowed to lead this team now.

 

[scarletngray]

CJ had his two best weeks in a row but the mojo just wasn't there against PSU. JT has hit his groove and did so against one of the best defenses out there.

 

[kn1f3party]

After Saturday it should be obvious who the starter SHOULD be. IMO it should have been that way all season but I gave it a chance.

Averages through first 7 games, year over year:

J.T. (2014)
17/26, 241 yards, 66.1% cmp%, 47 lng, 3 td, 1 int, 174.4 rat; 14 car, 65 yds, 5.5 avg, 21 lng, 1 td; 73.5 raw qbr, 77.6 adj qbr

CJ (2015)
13/21, 177 yards, 60.4% cmp%, 35 lng, 1 td, 1 int, 128.1 rat; 7 car, 19 yds, 2.0 avg, 11 lng, 0 td; 44.3 raw qbr, 43.5 adj qbr

In every metric JT brings more consistency and efficiency. That is probably why he got the nod last season. I don't know at what point it becomes OK in some people's eyes to make a change but a loss will be too little too late.

Obviously what CJ did last season was legendary. There will be a damn movie about it. But the bias we've built as a result of those performances has been stubborn to shake. Some might feel bad for him if he gets benched but I felt terrible for J.T. not being able to start at all this season. (Conspiracy theory: coaching staff is deliberately undermining his pro chances to keep him back next year). All he did is go out and slay records and get us in position to do what we did in the post season. This wasn't Drew Bledsoe going down and Tom Brady filling in. J.T. was our future and we allowed the lights out performance by the entire team to sway us in to forgetting that he was the better QB, the better leader, and the guy we should want controlling the reigns.

Worse yet, we might be hurting Cardale's pro-stock with this strategy--likely doing him a greater disservice.

 

[buckeyesin07]

So you have heard me scream at the top of my lungs that Jones "sucks"? Interesting.

You went out of your way to head on over to a message board to do so.

I played college football Chief. Pretty common locker room talk to call it like it is when you screw up, because I can promise you the Coach is going to say it more plainly and clearly than "sucked". I said Cardale "sucked that day" which he did, his deep balls were not good, they were quite bad, of which Urban and Cardale both acknowledged. He had a bad day on the deep ball. Does that make you feel better? Am I more politically correct now? Thanks for the help with that.

Whether you played college football or not, it strikes me that the last thing OSU's players need or deserve is for its "fans" to take to message boards and/or the stadium and crow about how badly they think OSU players "suck." As an alum, I'd like to think OSU fans are better than that. But maybe I'm wrong--I've clearly seen and read some things recently that suggest I am wrong.