2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[bukIpower]

Welp, what I saw, or think I saw, was an offense that doesn't want to give Cardale a style that fits what he can do. I think I saw a pair of coordinators who don't seem to know what plays call consistently. When they finally allowed Cardale to run the middle his play picked up. I saw a QB who doesn't have a Devon Smith to go up and get his long throws. I saw a team that can't count on it's kicker for field goals or keeping the kick off in bounds. Funny, seems to be a lot of that going around these last few years - Northwestern, Iowa, Indiana, Penn State to name a few I'm aware of - but we Buckeye fans have been spoiled most seasons by reliable kickers.

And I don't know what to think about the continuation of errant snaps by Buckeye centers - a trait that seems in my mind to have begun with Doug Datish in the Michigan game of 2006 and carried through in most seasons since to include Jacoby Boren in 2014 and 2015. Maybe in happens to all teams, but I only notice it when the Buckeyes do it, like the way I notice that Willoughby seems to always let one kick off get away from him each game.

Still, it was a win and one with potential to remove the #1 burden from this team for the next few weeks, something which I think may improve their mental state.

I don't think the coordinators purposely are not tailoring the offense but rather they're trying to work within the system we operate. You cant take large portions of your offense out and be as successful as you want

It's like McDonald's deciding to not serve a big Mac... sure they'd still do OK but it's the big macs sales that puts them over the top. JT being the big Mac in this scenario of course

 

[buckeyebri]

The McDonald's comparison is an interesting thought @bukIpower. I think if McDs got rid of a good portion of their menu and just went with the basics, hamburgers, fries, cokes and shakes and quit trying to be everything to everybody, they would be much more successful. I have to believe that there is enough of the offense that the coaches can run without the read option pieces that they could put CJ in a position to be successful. That and take the Braxcat off the menu, no one is buying it...

 

[buckeyesin07]

I think its obvious to everyone at this point.

But I'm just about done with the people who take shots a Cardale every chance they get. He's a square peg in a round hole offense. This has nothing to do with his talent.

Not pointing a finger at you @Jake. Just a general comment.

This.

 

[bukIpower]

I don't take any of these comments as "shots" saw.... most agree Cardale is still a talented guy but he's just hamstrung in this offense because the coaches philosophy, the surrounding talent, and Cardales abilities just don't match as well this year as last year.

Very few of us calling for JT comment about him sucking or anything of the sort. If I did that then it certainly wasn't what I meant. I've just always maintained JT fit our style more and from a leadership stand point he is just different for our offense.

 

[pnuts34]

I don't take any of these comments as "shots" saw.... most agree Cardale is still a talented guy but he's just hamstrung in this offense because the coaches philosophy, the surrounding talent, and Cardales abilities just don't match as well this year as last year.

Very few of us calling for JT comment about him sucking or anything of the sort. If I did that then it certainly wasn't what I meant. I've just always maintained JT fit more etc

This.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I don't take any of these comments as "shots" saw.... most agree Cardale is still a talented guy but he's just hamstrung in this offense because the coaches philosophy, the surrounding talent, and Cardales abilities just don't match as well this year as last year.

Very few of us calling for JT comment about him sucking or anything of the sort. If I did that then it certainly wasn't what I meant. I've just always maintained JT fit our style more and from a leadership stand point he is just different for our offense.

Not saying you've done so, but there's been a heck of a lot of negative commentary regarding Cardale's twitter account, insinuations about how hard he wasn't working in the offseason, etc. The former is ridiculous (in my view, OSU "fans" should have better things to do than follow what 20-year old players are saying on twitter, and then take to the internet to offer critiques on those twitter accounts), and the latter is just plain stupid (none OSU "fans" know what these guys have been doing in the offseason, and to assume they weren't working hard simply because they attended the ESPYs is laughable).

I can't speak for Saw, but perhaps some of these things are what he had in mind when using the word "shots."

 

[bukIpower]

I don't follow anyone on twitter... only when it is shown on here will I comment. Personally I don't recall attacking CJ'S work ethic. Id like to think im more focus on what I feel JT brings to the table more so than what CJ does not (although I do speak my mind on some of CJ'S shortcomings too sometimes)

 

[kujirakira]

Definitely in the minority. JT served his punishment. Would be a horrible coaching strategy to say, " Oh by the way, you're sitting the first half this game as well." You may not be worried about Illi but this team needs to hit stride. For that to happen, JT needs in game reps. I'd rather he find his stride against Illi rather than MCH ST.

Not that I'm advocating for it ... but it does seem par for the course. As I recall, Hyde and Hall served their suspensions/whatever... and then still didn't get back onto the field immediately.

 

[OSUK]

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Not that I'm advocating for it ... but it does seem par for the course. As I recall, Hyde and Hall served their suspensions/whatever... and then still didn't get back onto the field immediately.

Hyde was suspended the first 3 games of 2013. He played the fourth game, the 76-0 blowout of Florida A&M. He had 5 carries for 41 yards. He carried the rock 17 times the following week against Wisconsin for 85 yards and then went on a 9 game tear of 100+ games.
Marcus Hall was suspended for the Big Ten Championship game. He then played against Clemson. http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2013/12/ohio_states_marcus_hall_will_b.html

 

[kujirakira]

Hall had a half game suspension... didn't appear for the entire game. And it was the CCG.
Hyde was suspended for 3, but IIRC he didn't get on the field until the 2nd quarter of the 4th game.

And of course the discussion wasn't about whether JT would play against Illinois at all -- but whether he'd get to start / feature immediately.
Anyway it's a moot point w/Urban declaring JT the starter again. Was just pointing out that it wouldn't have been odd if he didn't make the field until a couple series into the game.

 

[ScriptOhio]

HE WHO WOULD BE KING

We began the regular season mesmerized by Ohio State's quarterback derby.

Would J.T. Barrett mend properly, rehabilitate and be allowed to resume his wanton destruction of Ohio State and Big Ten record books, or could its accidental postseason hero Cardale Jones hold onto the the position he so admirably rescued?

Or would Braxton Miller mend properly, rehabilitate and be allowed to resume his own wanton destruction of Ohio State and Big Ten record books? There was no shortage of backfield suggestions or ideas. One writer even called for situational quarterbacking back in April that had Cardale between the 20s and not-Cardale in the red zone (the Buckeyes adopted that strategy mid-season and promptly cured themselves of their red zone disease) (the writer takes full credit for that).

Jones never rediscovered his postseason momentum.

Cardale would continue throwing laser bombs and J.T. would come in and read-option and play-action opponents to death. Braxton would be the queen of the chessboard defenses couldn't afford to ignore, but he wouldn't throw a pass until the Michigan game. Or maybe the Michigan State game? Nah, the Michigan game. We played the 2015 season out in our heads for eight straight months. Every scenario was violent, beautiful and undefeated. It wasn't a fantasy. That's some kind of destiny.

Regardless of who was lined up behind Jacoby Boren, Ezekiel Elliott would be standing next to him. Zeke was the easiest Heisman prediction Ohio State has ever had in its history. If he could rush for 700 yards against three top-tier defenses last winter, failing to eclipse 2,000 would require an act of the supernatural.

Especially with Michael Thomas occupying each team's best defensive back and any one of a number of burners stretching the field like Devin Smith. Those deep options didn't even need to have his body control, pass-catching skills or 50/50 ball ability; they just needed to deliver the threat of a threat, which begged the question: How are they going to get all these guys enough touches?

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2015/11/64310/he-who-would-be-king