2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[OSUK]

Two-Minute Drill: Updates from Urban Meyer's Oct 19 Press Luncheon

Urban Meyer Updates

+ Meyer said he thinks he knows who will be starting at quarterback on Saturday. "I have an idea."

+ Asked if he thinks the offense runs better with Barrett in this season he said he thinks it ran better with Barrett on Saturday.

+ Meyer on the quarterback situation: "If there's a change it's always delicate. That one's probably more because of the obvious." "We're going to do what's right for the team first."

+ A lot goes into choosing a quarterback, including the spark that they provide when they are in the game.

+ There is a feeling that two quarterbacks makes like more difficult on a defense, but they'll talk about that more this week.

+ On if J.T. Barrett is finding the groove that he had last year, Meyer said he thinks he is seeing that. Plus they are doing a good job of calling what he is good at.

Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...-from-Urban-Meyers-Oct-19-Press-Luncheon-2015

Urban Meyer's Quarterback Decision Will Come the Right Way

When you ask any of the Ohio State players not named Cardale Jones or J.T. Barrett who should be the Buckeyes’ starting quarterback, you get one of two generic answers.

The first is usually something along the line of, “It doesn’t matter to me who plays as long as we’re moving the ball and scoring touchdowns.”

The other is the classic, “That’s not up to me. That’s Coach’s decision.”

Even Barrett, who started 12 games last year and set team and Big Ten records, won’t promote himself as the starter.

“I’m just trying to help the team win whether that’s going in in the red zone or the starting quarterback,” Barrett said. “I don’t think it really matters.”

After completing all four his pass attempts, two for touchdowns, and rushing for 102 yards and two more scores against Penn State, the questions again emerged as to who would be OSU’s starter when they take the field Saturday night against Rutgers.

If it’s Meyer’s decision, he’s not telling… yet.

“About the quarterback issue, nothing's going to be announced right now,” Meyer said before any media member could ask.

“I'll address that at a later date.”
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“If there's a change, it's always delicate,” Meyer said. “That one is probably more because of the obvious."

“It's not number – what is it? Number 16 and Number 12. Those are people, and those are people we care about deeply.”

While taking the starting job from Jones might make some fans happy, it would be a disappointment to the player who won the national championship and returned to Ohio State to start and improve. This is something Meyer has to keep in mind.

Ultimately, the head coach is going to do what’s best for his team to win but he wants to handle the situation correctly. After not leaving Ohio Stadium until the early hours of Sunday morning and meeting with recruits the rest of the day, Meyer has not had the time to talk to those involved.

“I have not had a chance to sit down with the quarterbacks formally and review everything,” he explained.

“But to all involved and to the staff, it's been – when you meet with six, seven recruits during the day yesterday, and then we have practice and all that, just didn't have time.”

No decision yet, but after Saturday, does Meyer know who will start going forward?

“I have an idea,” he admitted. “But I want to make sure I visit with everybody and make sure we're doing the right thing.”

Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...-Quarterback-Decision-Will-Come-the-Right-Way

I read where Urban was quoted as saying, "I see what you see."

I'm placing my faith in that quote and its implications - and my sanity is on the line.

 

[bukIpower]

You make Ohio State easier to defend when the defense knows where the QB is going to be and when you are not scared of him running the football instead of handing it off. This isn't rocket science. The question with what the coaches decided to roll with was: Are we gaining something with the long ball/power running that negates what we are losing by discarding the zone read/short passing offense? The results of the last few weeks indicate that the answer is "NO".

I was just thinking of this... opportunity cost.

They have to weigh what they give up with their selected starting QB. They give up any running threat with CJ as the starter and they give up arm strength with JT as the starter. IMO the opportunity cost with going with CJ as starter is higher meaning it's not worth losing JT'S mobility because JT can still throw it 50 yards no problem.

I guess when I put it this way is why I've always thought JT should be the guy. I was totally cool with CJ and JT being a platoon system because UFM has done well with that situation before. However after watching the PSU game it's not that Cardale is a poor player but it's because I'm seeing a different level of production from JT.

You add that with the crowd chanting his name, zeke's comments, and even Urban commenting how the energy seemed different I'd be surprised if JT wasn't the starter

 

[ScriptOhio]

JT as a starter, Ohio State is 11-1
Cardale as a starter, Ohio State is 10-0 including a National Championship

Re: Urban was quoted as saying, "I see what you see."

Tough call but at this point in the season; (the way I see it) I'd go with JT.

 

[OSUK]

I was just thinking of this... opportunity cost.

They have to weigh what they give up with their selected starting QB. They give up any running threat with CJ as the starter and they give up arm strength with JT as the starter. IMO the opportunity cost with going with CJ as starter is higher meaning it's not worth losing JT'S mobility because JT can still throw it 50 yards no problem.

I guess when I put it this way is why I've always thought JT should be the guy. I was totally cool with CJ and JT being a platoon system because UFM has done well with that situation before. However after watching the PSU game it's not that Cardale is a poor player but it's because I'm seeing a different level of production from JT.

You add that with the crowd chanting his name, zeke's comments, and even Urban commenting how the energy seemed different I'd be surprised if JT wasn't the starter

Yes, you can't blame the coaches for looking at how glorious those last 3 games were last year and trying to replicate/expand it. But, dammit, it hasn't worked!

And I believe the reason it hasn't worked has mainly to do with the idea that the team, as a whole, wants to be led by the guy they have the most respect for, and confidence in, in terms of leadership. One of these QBs was chosen as a captain, and one of them wasn't. No matter what kind of twisted and tortured explanations one can come up with to justify disregarding that, that fact remains.

 

[ScriptOhio]

First quarter scoring:
Virginia tech: 14
Hawaii: 7
Northern Illinois: 3
Western Michigan: 7
Indiana: 0
Maryland:7
Penn State: 0

Just sayin': I'd like to see JT start (if for no other reason than) to see if the offense can hit on all 11 cylinders on their first possession and a few subsequent ones in the 1st quarter with him at the controls.

 

[bukIpower]

Damn you BPers come up with some awesome stats...

The stats sure are damning to CJ. ScriptOhio excellent point and just think how often we use to score on our first possession last year more often than not and now look at those stats.

The stats sure do support JT at this point though.

 

[bukIpower]

Yes, you can't blame the coaches for looking at how glorious those last 3 games were last year and trying to replicate/expand it. But, dammit, it hasn't worked!

And I believe the reason it hasn't worked has mainly to do with the idea that the team, as a whole, wants to be led by the guy they have the most respect for, and confidence in, in terms of leadership. One of these QBs was chosen as a captain, and one of them wasn't. No matter what kind of twisted and tortured explanations one can come up with to justify disregarding that, that fact remains.

I mean I believe JT is the guy and I agree JT being captain shouldn't be discounted. However we will never know if the team truly fights harder for JT or not. That we cannot prove or put into statistical means so that's not really fair to say IMO.

 

[TooTall]

First quarter scoring:
Virginia tech: 14
Hawaii: 7
Northern Illinois: 3
Western Michigan: 7
Indiana: 0
Maryland:7
Penn State: 0

Just sayin': I'd like to see JT start (if for no other reason than) to see if the offense can hit on all 11 cylinders on their first possession and a few subsequent ones in the 1st quarter with him at the controls.

Great stats. Sputtering out of the gate simply cannot happen against MSU and scUM. If it does, I could see Ohio State in a 10-0 or 14-0 hole that would be fairly difficult to claw out of with momentum being on the side of two pretty solid defenses.

 

[Hstead]

First quarter scoring:
Virginia tech: 14
Hawaii: 7
Northern Illinois: 3
Western Michigan: 7
Indiana: 0
Maryland:7
Penn State: 0

Just sayin': I'd like to see JT start (if for no other reason than) to see if the offense can hit on all 11 cylinders on their first possession and a few subsequent ones in the 1st quarter with him at the controls.

I agree, but I am going to lay some of that on Warriner as well, and Beck I guess. Tom Herman seemed to have a clear idea of what he wanted to get done from the get go most of the time. Warriner has to get his feet wet as well, as it is a new spot for him too. Herman is burning it up offensively at Houston, and the QB is perfect for him.

 

[Dryden]

What I really like about JT taking the reins for a game is he can run the jet tempo stuff and keep the defense in basic formations and coverages. If JT gets the offense 85 snaps per game instead of 70, that's 15 more touches for Miller, Marshall, and Samuel.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I said this last year, even though buckeyesin07 believes I just joined yesterday evidently to run over here and claim Cardale "sucked" when I clearly said "sucked that day", but let's not let anything stop him from putting words in peoples mouths and then lecturing others for doing so,

You're the guy who finds the need to jump on a message board to claim that an OSU player "sucked." And, just FYI, whether you said Cardale "sucked" or "sucked that day" doesn't make your statement any less embarrassing or ridiculous.

 

[buckeyesin07]

JT didn't need to throw the ball in the PSU game for the Offense to be able to move and be effective.

Agreed. But if OSU wants to be back on top of the pile again this year, he's going to need to throw. Like I said--it would've been nice if he had more opportunities, because so far this year, he hasn't had much success passing the ball. If he starts against Rutgers, I hope he gets some reps such that he finally is able to seize the job. The last thing the team needs is what has happened so far this year--Jones is ineffective at times, and Urban gives JT a shot, only to have JT fail to take the reigns and seize the job.

 

[cincibuck]

They give up any running threat with CJ as the starter and they give up arm strength with JT as the starter. IMO the opportunity cost with going with CJ as starter is higher meaning it's not worth losing JT'S mobility because JT can still throw it 50 yards no problem.

I guess when I put it this way is why I've always thought JT should be the guy. I was totally cool with CJ and JT being a platoon system because UFM has done well with that situation before. However after watching the PSU game it's not that Cardale is a poor player but it's because I'm seeing a different level of production from JT.

You add that with the crowd chanting his name, zeke's comments, and even Urban commenting how the energy seemed different I'd be surprised if JT wasn't the starter

 

[TooTall]

Agreed. But if OSU wants to be back on top of the pile again this year, he's going to need to throw. Like I said--it would've been nice if he had more opportunities, because so far this year, he hasn't had much success passing the ball. If he starts against Rutgers, I hope he gets some reps such that he finally is able to seize the job. The last thing the team needs is what has happened so far this year--Jones is ineffective at times, and Urban gives JT a shot, only to have JT fail to take the reigns and seize the job.

He had four 300+ yard passing games last season, and in two 200+ yard performances, he had 100+ rushing yards.

 

[buckeyesin07]

He had four 300+ yard passing games last season, and in two 200+ yard performances, he had 100+ rushing yards.

Cardale led OSU to a NC last year, and against teams better than JT faced. Point is, who cares what happened last season--if you want to rip Cardale for his play this year, you should also look to what JT has done passing the ball this year, which isn't much so far. If he gets the ball on Saturday, hopefully he'll change that.