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2014 Offense Discussion

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RugbyBuck said:
I'd have to disagree that we've had the talent/personnel for this type of game. Urban's repeatedly said as much. Now we have what he's wanted and we'll see what happens.
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If you're talking about when Urban arrived, then I'd agree. But if you mean over the course of our 7 Big 10 titles, we certainly had the talent to run bubble screens. Guys like Tedd Ginn, Santonio Holmes, Dane Sanzenbacher, Ray Small, Brandon Saine, etc would've done quite well in the screen game.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I'd have to disagree that we've had the talent/personnel for this type of game. Urban's repeatedly said as much. Now we have what he's wanted and we'll see what happens.
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Exactly. UFM flat out said we didn't have the players to execute such plays (refer back to calling our skilled position groups a "clown show"). None of Fields, D. Smith, Spencer, etc. were going to make anything happen in the open field...just not any of their games (and to some extent Philly Brown, though he was a good receiver and vertical threat). And last year, we really only added Dontre to that fold and defenses could focus on him. Now you add a healthy Jalin Marshall and James Clark (I guess anyways, haven't heard a peep on him yet this summer or spring), plus Samuel and EzE (maybe Johnnie Dixon)...that is an absurd upgrade of guys that are dangerous in the open field. And as I said, you also have the guys still here that can block for them.

pnuts34 said:
If you're talking about when Urban arrived, then I'd agree. But if you mean over the course of our 7 Big 10 titles, we certainly had the talent to run bubble screens. Guys like Tedd Ginn, Santonio Holmes, Dane Sanzenbacher, Ray Small, Brandon Saine, etc would've done quite well in the screen game.
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Agreed mostly and although the offense wasn't always dynamic in those periods, they usually made the offense work in other ways. And really, Sanz and Saine were not dangerous in the open field at all, but were in many other ways...point taken mostly but in comparison to the guys we have here that UFM has recruited in for this role, I don't even think it is close (on paper anyways) to any given point in those 7-10 years...not really in overall talent, but in the specific ability we're addressing here.
 
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ESPN In$ider: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/travis-haney/post?id=3278

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The Buckeyes might lose a game or two, but the personnel is not going to let them slip far.

“They’ve got guys at every position,” a coach in another league said.

“Guys” is often an understated term in the coaching world. It translates roughly to “NFL talent.”

“They’re loaded,” he said of the Buckeyes, who are on their way to a fourth consecutive top-10 recruiting class under Meyer. “They’re everywhere.”

So don’t expect those esophageal spasms to flare up for Meyer this season, even if his team's playoff hopes are shakier than they were a week ago.

So what will the offense look like without the dynamic and experienced Braxton Miller?

“It’s not going to change that much, I don’t think,” a Power Five offensive coordinator told me. “They’re still going to run the s--- out of the ball.”

The coach said that while Herman's offensive plan mostly appears simple, it doesn’t come across that way to defenses. There are new wrinkles from week to week. It’s almost as if the Buckeyes lull you into the power run game, he said, and then -- surprise! -- there’s a diamond formation on the edge or there’s a tight end being used almost as a running back.

“They’ll throw stuff at you and you’re like, ‘Oh, wow, OK,’” he said. “You start thinking it’s predictable, but then you can’t figure out the pattern -- because there isn’t one.”

Cont'd ...
 
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I would say we have an embarrassment of riches on the offensive side of the ball. So many options of who to give the ball to. When highly recruited guys like Dunn and Ball and even Smith don't even see the ball or in some cases the field due to all the talent that is a good problem to have. I do think we will continue to have difficulty landing the highly touted TE until we find a way to get them more involved in the offense. There are to many good I formation teams these guys will go to for better NFL exposure.
 
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Look at the character of Wiscy. They choked when the game was on the line. This is starting to look like a pattern for them and their new coach.
Now, look at how the Buckeyes under Urban survived being pushed to the edge and kept fighting and found a way to win a game that the could have easily lost. Good teams find a way to win when push comes to shove.
Now if we could just get some big plays from all this speed..................
 
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Taosman said:
Look at the character of Wiscy. They choked when the game was on the line. This is starting to look like a pattern for them and their new coach.
Now, look at how the Buckeyes under Urban survived being pushed to the edge and kept fighting and found a way to win a game that the could have easily lost. Good teams find a way to win when push comes to shove.
Now if we could just get some big plays from all this speed..................
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not just their new coach. they have lost 14 of their last 17 one score games, and the last nine straight.
 
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Taosman said:
Look at the character of Wiscy. They choked when the game was on the line. This is starting to look like a pattern for them and their new coach.
Now, look at how the Buckeyes under Urban survived being pushed to the edge and kept fighting and found a way to win a game that the could have easily lost. Good teams find a way to win when push comes to shove.
Now if we could just get some big plays from all this speed..................
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Hang in there......we will. :urban2:
 
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I think we'll be fine. I watched the offense bog down and hope that Braxton saved its bacon more than once in the last two seasons. You don't have to have the threat of going 60 yds on any given play in order for this offense to be successful.
 
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Taosman said:
Look at the character of Wiscy. They choked when the game was on the line. This is starting to look like a pattern for them and their new coach.
Now, look at how the Buckeyes under Urban survived being pushed to the edge and kept fighting and found a way to win a game that the could have easily lost. Good teams find a way to win when push comes to shove.
Now if we could just get some big plays from all this speed..................
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Look at every Rose Bowl loss they had. They dominated, then abandoned the power running game that gave them the lead. This is not a new coach pattern, this is the Wisconsin way and has been for a while.
 
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