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2013 Preseason and regular polls

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MaxBuck said:
The media bias is there, sadly, largely because of how we [Mark May] the bed the last couple of times we played in NC games. It will abate somewhat when we get back and win it.

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I agree with your assessment. These same people vehemently object to taking tOSU's winning streak of 22 games into consideration because they are looking at THIS YEAR'S teams.
 
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buckeyebri said:
The fact that MSU and Wiscy are not ranked higher when you look at who is above them is laughable.
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MSU certainly should be ranked higher. Their one loss came to a Notre Dame team that they would probably destroy if they played them today. They faced ND earlier in the season when the Irish weren't missing a large of their defensive starters and ND was reeling from a Michigan game that was winnable, but the coaches failed to make adjustments.

As far as Baylor, it's ridiculous they're continuing to gain momentum. I wonder if the talking heads pimping Baylor has a direct effect on this voting trend. I also wonder if the fact Missouri and A&M are tearing up the SEC is inflating the perception of how strong the Big 12 is as oppose to demonstrating that the SEC isn't as strong outside of the top 3-4 teams.
 
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Regarding letting shit teams score points despite winning by a large margin...
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332780239

Jake said:
Okay, then let's make up our minds. On one hand, the voters are screwing us but on the other hand we're going to get the benefit of the doubt over a one-loss SEC team even though we've seen such teams get NC game bids in recent years. Do they hate us or respect us?
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There's a difference between the poll voters and the media which is attempting to tell them what to do. As is evident in the AP poll... where Baylor has, indeed, jumped us. And yet in the coaches we are still ahead of Baylor.


The human polls are two-thirds of the BCS point totals so if they agree on a number it takes a lot from the computers to override them.

I'm not making a prediction or a wish. I'm just saying IF it played out that way it wouldn't shock me. The system and the people who drive it do not make a lot of sense, sometimes.
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It's true that the polls are 2/3rds. But the polls don't count by what place you're in; they count by the votes. A difference of 18 votes is very small, as a result it will indeed be the computers which separates us.
 
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Mike80 said:
There IS an anti-Ohio State bias. Remember the shots they were taking at the fan base last year?
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I didn't say there isn't. I said that it isn't just that alone. It's bigger than that and cuts to a shitty Big Ten (after next week, of Ohio State's 11 victories, 7 will have come against teams with losing records) combined with espn's business interest driven agenda against the conference as a whole. The latter is never going to change and is out of the conference's control, but the former is within the schools' control and needs to change. Conference schools need to pull their heads out of their asses and start paying for top-notch coaches and staffs, recruit better and win some key ooc games.

And there's things that Ohio State can do like not schedule their marquee ooc game more than half a decade early when we have no idea how a program like Cal will be when the game actually rolls around. Maybe it'll take going on the road to a neutral site to play Alabama or LSU. Everyone loves to root against Michigan every game, but if they had beat Alabama last year, went on to win the Rose Bowl and were headed into the game this year as a solid 1 or even 2 loss team, we would probably not be looking at being left out of the NC game this year.

Also, if I was in the Michigan athletic department, I would have that motherless mouth-breathing imbecile Griese on the phone first thing Monday morning and spell it out for him so that his chimp-like brain could comprehend that the narrative he was spewing for the entire second half of that game could one day come to fuck Michigan in the ass in teh exact same way that it's fucking Ohio State in the ass this year.
 
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DiamondBuck said:
I agree with your assessment. These same people vehemently object to taking tOSU's winning streak of 22 games into consideration because they are looking at THIS YEAR'S teams.
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You're suggesting these people are hypocrites?

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MaxBuck said:
The media bias is there, sadly, largely because of how we [Mark May] the bed the last couple of times we played in NC games. It will abate somewhat when we get back and win it.
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The mediots will NOT allow Ohio State into a MNC game this year unless it's entirely unavoidable. They could have the strongest schedule in the country and the narrative would be about games that happened before half of the goddamn team was even in fucking High School.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I didn't say there isn't. I said that it isn't just that alone. It's bigger than that and cuts to a [Mark May]ty Big Ten (after next week, of Ohio State's 11 victories, 7 will have come against teams with losing records) combined with espn's business interest driven agenda against the conference as a whole. The latter is never going to change and is out of the conference's control, but the former is within the schools' control and needs to change. Conference schools need to pull their heads out of their asses and start paying for top-notch coaches and staffs, recruit better and win some key ooc games.

And there's things that Ohio State can do like not schedule their marquee ooc game more than half a decade early when we have no idea how a program like Cal will be when the game actually rolls around. Maybe it'll take going on the road to a neutral site to play Alabama or LSU. Everyone loves to root against Michigan every game, but if they had beat Alabama last year, went on to win the Rose Bowl and were headed into the game this year as a solid 1 or even 2 loss team, we would probably not be looking at being left out of the NC game this year.

Also, if I was in the Michigan athletic department, I would have that motherless mouth-breathing imbecile Griese on the phone first thing Monday morning and spell it out for him so that his chimp-like brain could comprehend that the narrative he was spewing for the entire second half of that game could one day come to fuck Michigan in the ass in teh exact same way that it's fucking Ohio State in the ass this year.
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I think to some degree the second half is in the Big's control. I don't know how long the contract w/ESPN+ABC goes, but try to find another partner to carry our games or ... if we believe BTN has gained enough ground in cable and sat packages... simply cover all our games on there.
 
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kujirakira said:
I think to some degree the second half is in the Big's control. I don't know how long the contract w/ESPN+ABC goes, but try to find another partner to carry our games or ... if we believe BTN has gained enough ground in cable and sat packages... simply cover all our games on there.
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I'm pretty sure the Big Ten's contract with ESPiN is up after next season. I really hope they tell ESPiN to suck a dick and go to Fox.
 
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kujirakira said:
I think to some degree the second half is in the Big's control. I don't know how long the contract w/ESPN+ABC goes, but try to find another partner to carry our games or ... if we believe BTN has gained enough ground in cable and sat packages... simply cover all our games on there.
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Absolutely. My point was that we can never end the espn vendetta. Getting our games off their network though would be a good start to mitigating it. Fox seems most likely, particularly with their FSN. If the CBS contract with the sec is ending soon, they might be a good alternative.

How great would it be to actually have the conference's premier games on a network with a vested interest in promoting the conference rather than badmouthing it. Sad enough that we have to listen to them badmouth the Big Ten during an SEC or ACC game, it's disgusting that we have to listen to it during our own games. Sadly, given Delaney's recent track record of fighting for the conference's best interests, I wouldn't be shocked if he just keeps us on the espn plantation.
 
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TresselstillownsTSUN said:
The media bias is at an all time high. WTF did we do to just keep sliding. Its beyond me.
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Didn't play up to expectations is the answer.

Over the last decade the Buckeyes lost a series to USC, split with Texas, split with Miami, laid a turd in two recent NCGs. This season they had to outscore a one-win Cal team that carried the game into the 4th quarter, gave up half a thousand yards to Abracadabra, struggled with Northwestern, gave up 35 points to an Illini team that spit the bit seven games ago, played in a conference whose second best team lost to Notre Dame and whose third best team lost to Arizona State, and whose other teams lost games to two MAC teams and Cincinnati. Throw in that of the other two B1G teams with any name recognition, one is being punished (justly) and can't go bowling and won't be "back" anytime soon, and the other is living up to it's name as a "public Ivy," this time by playing Ivy level football.

Some of it is perception, but some of it is self inflicted. How can you be short of talent at line-backer for 3 straight years (and remember, no one outside of Ohio knows what happened to recruits that didn't pan out? They just look at this D and wonder what happened at a school that always seemed to have plenty). Some of it has to do with the fact that Michigan is a joke that gets exposed week in and week out. Some of it has to do with the fact that no one outside the B1G - and plenty people within the B1G - gives a shit that all the BCS bowls are in the sunbelt, that all B1G bowl teams are playing away, or that B1G teams tend to have to play up in the bowls.
 
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cincibuck said:
Didn't play up to expectations is the answer.

Over the last decade the Buckeyes lost a series to USC, split with Texas, split with Miami, laid a turd in two recent NCGs. This season they had to outscore a one-win Cal team that carried the game into the 4th quarter, gave up half a thousand yards to Abracadabra, struggled with Northwestern, gave up 35 points to an Illini team that spit the bit seven games ago, played in a conference whose second best team lost to Notre Dame and whose third best team lost to Arizona State, and whose other teams lost games to two MAC teams and Cincinnati. Throw in the that of the other two B1G teams with any name recognition, one is being punished (justly) and can't go bowling and won't be "back" anytime soon, and the other is living up to it's name as a "public Ivy," this time by playing Ivy level football.

Some of it is perception, but some of it is self inflicted. How can you be short of talent at line-backer for 3 straight years (and remember, no one outside of Ohio knows what happened to recruits that didn't pan out)? They just look at this D and wonder what happened at a school that always seemed to have plenty). Some of it has to do with the fact that Michigan is a joke that gets exposed week in and week out. Some of it has to do with the fact that no one outside the B1G - and plenty people within the B1G - gives a [Mark May] that all the BCS bowls are in the sunbelt, that all B1G bowl teams are playing away, or that B1G teams tend to have to play up in the bowls.
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and all of those series except the Cryami series happened before any of these players were even in fucking HighSchool. For all of the goddamn whining these illiterate fuckers do week in and week out about punishing players on current teams for the transgressions of the past teams, they sure as fucking hell love doing it when it comes to ranking Ohio State.

Like I said, win the Big Ten, refuse the BCS invite. The Rose Bowl became just another bowl game when they joined the BCS.
 
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