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blueinfla
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NFBuck;1498235; said:
You are correct, sir. I think most UM fans, me included, were expecting that Threet would be able to throw the ball with some hint of accuracy. He did at times (very few), and the offense moved to ball pretty nicely.
I've said it before, not on here though, that RR doesn't have to have a Pat White type of mobile QB to succeed. If the QB is mobile enough to buy time for his receivers to get open, and occasionally pick up a first down with his feet to keep a drive alive, that is more than enough. Check Threet in the first half of the PSU game. He hit his open receivers and that opened the door for the running game, where Minor really stepped up. Threet was even able to pick up some yards on keepers/draws that kept the chains moving.
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you took the time to reply to a joke that was obviously meant to be thrown away. you have 0 sense of humor.
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zincfinger
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Estimating Forcier's total number of offers is meaningless, particularly when you make no similar attempt for Threet. Similarly, whether Threet originally got an offer from MSU or UM specifically is fairly meaningless, and the latter is circular reasoning (UM recruited Forcier because he's bettter - Forcier's better because UM recruited him). I don't know Threet's entire offer list, nor I would imagine do you, but from his partial, published list, I'm seeing offers from quality BCS programs aside from GT, such as Illinois and Wisconsin. As I said, Forcier's partial list looks a bit better, but not enormously so, and while it's ultimately a matter of opinion/definition, the description "much more highly sought after" seems to me a subtantial exaggeration that would better fit a comparison between a guy everyone wanted vs. a guy who was only offered by mid-majors. Both were offered by multiple quality BCS programs, Forcier probably a bit more so. You particularly go overboard when you rhetorically lump Threet and Sheriden together in mutual contrast to Forcier, when the reality is that Threet's reputation and "sought-afterness" coming out of H.S. was far more comparable to Forcier's than to Sheriden's.mh20;1498224; said:
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zincfinger
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Fair enough, but my point wasn't that most UM fans considered Threet an all-world prospect, it was that most appeared to consider him at minimum a solid prospect, based largely on his 4* ranking and his offer list. Only in the world of historical revision was he considered last year to be more akin to a walk-on type talent than a legitimate 4* type talent.NFBuck;1498235; said:
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buxfan4life
The future's so bright, I've gotta wear... shades.
BuckeyeNation27;1498208; said:hey.....now you're starting to sound very foolish.
Never claimed not to be foolish.
Oh, and 'Cuse was not part of that list.
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osubartender23
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NFBuck;1497795; said:
Thats the thing that gets me the most. TSUN fans I remember trumpeting the fact that he would fit his system to the personnel that he has, which clearly hasnt happened. This just proves to me that he isnt the offensive genius that people want to make him out to be. If he was he would have been able to adapt his style with who he had and slowly introduced "his system" into the equation. He has won at many levels, but the Big 10 is on a different plateau than anything he has had to face so far. Either way I think UM has set themselves up for failure.
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blueinfla
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osubartender23;1498591; said:
Right, so RR was supposed to run a pro-set because he didnt' have a dual-threat QB??? Every article I've read talks about the step forward in year two, both for QBs and for the rest of the offense. If they had done that, the offense would be further behind this year.
The evidence that I saw of adapting his offense to his QBs was that when Sheridan was trying to QB the team, he would roll him out because he threw better on the run (Minnesota), and this allowed the receivers more time to get open. Threet - well, what system fits a QB that isn't very accurate with his arm, and isn't all that mobile? There were games when Threet was actually able to hit his open receivers, believe it or not. (Utah, PSU) In these games, RR was able to use Threet's arm more.
I guess my question is, what is he supposed to adapt his offense to if the QB play is as poor as it was in '08 for UM?
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For one thing, he could have kept Mallett. You guys need to stop ignoring that.
Also, let's pretend that the 3-9 season was somehow necessary. Let's pretend it was needed to implement this system that will destroy the slow B10. So you have one 3-9 season. This year won't be that much better....maybe 6 wins? So you've thrown away 2 years now. Are we to assume that 2010 is the year we all need to fear, or are you going to throw away that season in preparation of this amazing offense?
I'm just wondering if the cost/benefit analysis really is working out in your favor.
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blueinfla;1498622; said:
It all goes back to paying the price for hiring a scheme coach. They lack the flexibility to do anything else. JT has gone from Steve Bellasari to Krenzel to Zwick to Troy Smith to Boeckman to Pryor. Good coaches can run a normal offense and tailor it to the talent they have on hand. They don't have to run gimmick offenses that over specializes and is completely ineffective without a particular type of player. In short, good coaches can come in and be competitive from day 1 with whatever they have on hand.
Even without Mallet he inherited a team with a chance at a decent running game and a solid defense. A good coach who is more than a 1 trick pony could have played a solid conservative defense first style and gotten 6-7 wins but RR, like all scheme coaches, doesn't focus on defense. They want to show the world their genius and only concentrate on offense, more specifically their particular style of offense.
Dick Rod is just another branch from the Mouse Davis/June Jones/Joe Tiller coaching tree. The only difference is a big time school's AD panicked in the midst of a bungled coaching search and has given RR a bigger stage to be exposed on.
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ysubuck
Be water my friend.
Another offensive commit in Austin White. May be a good pick up.
Who is going to play defense on this team?
How many 2010 scholarships does UM have? How is the defense going to look in two years?
I know, I know. Big Will and Marvin Robinson and Vlad.
Be honest UM fans. Thinking about the way this defense is headed has to have you shitting your pants.
Who is going to play defense on this team?
How many 2010 scholarships does UM have? How is the defense going to look in two years?
I know, I know. Big Will and Marvin Robinson and Vlad.
Be honest UM fans. Thinking about the way this defense is headed has to have you shitting your pants.
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blueinfla;1498622; said:
Read my post from earlier. If he was smart, he would have run a more ball control offense (centered around Minor and Grady) and less pure spread, one-back crap that was comically bad. So many of you guys point out how much more even his run/pass ratio was last season as evidence of his "adapting". Pure garbage, because how many of those pass attempts were bubble screens or something similar? Those are glorified run plays and, again, with the OL you guys had, were horrible ideas 90% of the time. Yes or no: Did he not continue to run the same crap all year when it clealy was not working? That's not adapting, and the best part: go watch him at wvu...he always did that. See his losses, the man is stubborn as a mule and cannot or will not adapt.
If he used Threet in a more conventional offense, I have no doubt he would have been at least moderately effective...at the very least better than last year. With a two back set, maybe McGuffie doesn't get folded in half so much...and I know Minor could do pretty well in that set. The biggest thing is that with a more conventional, ball control offense, the defense has time to actually catch their breath and maybe, just maybe, isn't as awful.
He could have worked in bits of his offense to begin preparing the pieces he had, but running that offense full time did nothing. He knew Threet and Sheridan were not an answer past last year. The OL does need to learn, but that's why you begin slowly adapting it. He preached that he was going to adapt to his players...it was a lie. But we all thank him for the comedy.
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