2009 TSUN arguments, shenanigans (not football)

[mh20]

Oh, I assure you, there are bigger lines of bull[censored]...many of your posts qualify.

Could Threet's accuracy have struggled because he was forced into an offensive scheme where he didn't fit? Hmmm, his scouting report lists accuracy/consistency as a strength:
Scout.com: Steven Threet Profile

Nope, couldn't be, because that would make your boy Richie look bad. I never said he would be a world beater, but are you honestly saying that he wouldn't have been better in a more conventional offense? It didn't help his cause that having an OL ill-suited or ill-prepared to run Richie's offense often left him little to no time to make a throw. (p.s. [censored] you for making me defend a former scUMmer).

And Richie was "screwed"? How so genius? He took the job knowing full well that he didn't have a QB that could effectively run his offense. Lets hear you blame Carr for leaving the cupboard bare...I know you want to.

LOL.

Are you seriously using a Scout.com recruiting profile as the basis for your entire argument?

Threet had major accuracy issues in a system that didn't require him to make difficult throws. That is just a fact, but you can try to spin things anyway you like them.

Bottom line, if Threet was playing in the old Michigan system, he would have been required to make much more difficult throws down the field and his completion percentage would have been even worse.

Carr left the cupboard extremely bare at QB, there is no other way around this. Carr put all of his eggs in the Ryan Mallett basket, and didn't bother to recruit one other viable QB option in the class before Mallett, in Mallett's class, and in the class following Mallett (which he retired about a month before NSD).

 

[mooktarr]

RR didn't send out all those offers for fun. Buh Bye to the not quite fitting in players.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Please. This is the biggest line of b.s. I have ever seen on this board.

It would not have mattered what offense that Rich used Threet in. Threet was incapable of completing simple routine passes. The kid struggled with his accuracy terribly in an offense that required him to make for the most part very simple throws.

Rich was screwed with one QB that didn't have a D-II arm let alone a BCS level arm (Sheridan) and another that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn most of the time (Threet).

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[jwinslow]

Feagin only played in 3 games, he never even attempted a pass, and he only ran the ball a handful of times, so to be honest with you, who really knows if he was worse?

Justin is not even close to being ready at quarterback,? Rodriguez said Oct. 27.

I can't imagine anybody being more inaccurate than Steven Threet or anybody less equipped with the necessary talent/physical tools than Nick Sheridan.

David Cone is certainly more inaccurate in this system than Threet.

Awwee,

Are you swinging on a vine?

I feel so bad for poor little Kurt Wermers and the fact that Michigan's new coaches are treating football as more of a business than family............NOT.

A demanding coach & a family atmosphere are not mutually exclusive.

There are certainly negatives to RR's approach, like leaving Threet in Ann Arbor for the trip to Columbus. Threet was one of RR's biggest supporters in the locker room when many didn't want to get on board. His departure was more of the 'business' atmosphere

"When Coach [Lloyd] Carr retired I wanted to transfer," Threet said. "But I took Coach [Rich] Rodriguez at his word about the offense. I tried to stick it out. I tried to help Michigan win. But in the end the offense didn't fit me. They have a run first offense at every position. What they want is Pat White and that's not me."

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

LOL.

Are you seriously using a Scout.com recruiting profile as the basis for your entire argument?

Threet had major accuracy issues in a system that didn't require him to make difficult throws. That is just a fact, but you can try to spin things anyway you like them.

Bottom line, if Threet was playing in the old Michigan system, he would have been required to make much more difficult throws down the field and his completion percentage would have been even worse.

Carr left the cupboard extremely bare at QB, there is no other way around this. Carr put all of his eggs in the Ryan Mallett basket, and didn't bother to recruit one other viable QB option in the class before Mallett, in Mallett's class, and in the class following Mallett (which he retired about a month before NSD).

enough of this bull shit.

You don't bring in a 5*, have him play and even start as a freshman who is taking over for the departing senior, and call it leaving the cupboard bare. Stop it with that shit. Especially since it was your new favorite coach who ran his ass off.

You play 1 QB at a time. Carr brought in the best one he could to replace a pretty damn good one. Nothing was bare when your idiot coach took over.

 

[mh20]

Neither are true LB's...nice try.

Both will play LB....nice try though.

You still watch Beverly Hills 90210, don't you?

Actually, I got that line from Borat. Have never even heard of Beverly Hills 90210. Sorry.

Let the RR apologists' ripping on the kid commence. What was it this time--he was too lazy, couldn't keep up with Barwis, was buried on the depth chart, etc.?

I think when somebody complains of football being more like a business then that says all that you need to know about them. Rodriguez works his players very hard and he has a tendency to yell and scream and cuss, and some people just aren't willing to put in the work and other just can't take the yelling and the screaming.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Actually, I got that line from Borat. Have never even heard of Beverly Hills 90210. Sorry.

Jesus. Just how young are you? :tic:

 

[jwinslow]

Both will play LB....nice try though.

Please TRY to follow your own football team.

Antonio Kinnard is recruited to play the Quick position, currently manned by Herron. He's loosely similar to a 3/4 rush end (LB/DE hybrid), who they move around in the formation, drop into coverage, blitz the QB, etc. He's more of a DL than anything.

Marvin Robinson is recruited to play the Spinner position, where Stevie Brown will be at this fall. That is a S/LB hybrid. The guys backing him up have the bodies of safeties.

NEITHER of those are LB positions, where Ezeh, Mouton & Fitzgerald play. (Demens too)

I think when somebody complains of football being more like a business then that says all that you need to know about them. Rodriguez works his players very hard and he has a tendency to yell and scream and cuss, and some people just aren't willing to put in the work and other just can't take the yelling and the screaming.

Some people aren't willing to be ridiculed endlessly. There are plenty of ways to be demanding as a coach without making players hate football, which has been a staple of RR dating back to WVU & Glenville.

 

[goblue15]

Let the RR apologists' ripping on the kid commence. What was it this time--he was too lazy, couldn't keep up with Barwis, was buried on the depth chart, etc.?

When you transfer to Ball ST doesnt that say everything?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It would not have mattered what offense that Rich used Threet in. Threet was incapable of completing simple routine passes. The kid struggled with his accuracy terribly in an offense that required him to make for the most part very simple throws.

Then just what he fuck is he doing at the University of Michigan?

 

[mh20]

enough of this bull [censored].

You don't bring in a 5*, have him play and even start as a freshman who is taking over for the departing senior, and call it leaving the cupboard bare. Stop it with that [censored]. Especially since it was your new favorite coach who ran his ass off.

You play 1 QB at a time. Carr brought in the best one he could to replace a pretty damn good one. Nothing was bare when your idiot coach took over.

Please.

Mallett only played as a freshman because Henne was injured and because of the fact that the CUPBOARD WAS BARE at QB. Michigan didn't have one suitable back-up because they had put all of their eggs in the Ryan Mallett basket, which in turn meant Mallett HAD to play as a true freshman when Henne went down with injury.

Rodriguez didn't run Mallett off. Mallett left on his own will, and since day 1 of setting foot on campus Mallett was always a high possibility to transfer, and in fact he came very close to transferring under Carr. Once Carr retired and Loeffler was not retained that was it for Mallett, he was gone.

So don't spin your b.s. and say that Rodriguez ran Mallett off. Mallett just didn't want to be at Michigan anymore, and the only thing keeping him at Michigan were Carr and Loeffler.

And the cupboard at QB was extremely bare. That's what happens when you leverage the future of the most important position in your program on one kid (Mallett) and he winds up leaving before he ever even gets started.

 

[osubartender23]

Both will play LB....nice try though. .

Just because they are going to play the position, doesnt necessarily mean that is what they should be playing.

I think when somebody complains of football being more like a business then that says all that you need to know about them. Rodriguez works his players very hard and he has a tendency to yell and scream and cuss, and some people just aren't willing to put in the work and other just can't take the yelling and the screaming.

So wait we have it all wrong here. RR is running the program like a "family". It just so happens to be the redneck abusive type is all. Many successful football coaches run thier programs like a business...the good ones are able to have a mixture of the two though. RR doesnt seem to be one of the coaches that can do this.

 

[Jaxbuck]

One word comes to mind everytime I see this "bare cupboard" argument from scUM fans.

Tofuckingledo.

You guys are going to try and tell us with a straight face you didn't have more talent on the roster than Toledo? Dick Rod got beat at home by a 3 win MAC team and you guys are going to say it was a talent issue? Get the fuck out of here.

 

[jwinslow]

When you transfer to Ball ST doesnt that say everything?

I think Wermers is better suited at Ball St than Michigan given his talent level. I don't really have a problem with that insinuation, the main topic for me are his parting comments, which are being embraced by fans and insiders alike (but used as evidence of RR's revolution of UM culture).

The ironic part is his comments are quite similar to Boren's.

 

[NFBuck]

Both will play LB....nice try though.

You really don't even understand the defense your team is running, do you?

Please TRY to follow your own football team.