2009 TSUN arguments, shenanigans (not football)

[BUCKYLE]

Right. It's only natural for parents to hate a university that most publications have rated either as the best or second best public university in the country.

I can understand his parents not being a fan of the football team, but for them to not like Michigan or not want their son to go there just because they are Buckeye fans...well that's very stupid.

Bottom line, it's a very good school.

Maybe the school colors make them puke.

 

[jwinslow]

Right. It's only natural for parents to hate a university that most publications have rated either as the best or second best public university in the country.

for undergrads with elite scores and ambitious educational and professional goals. Those ratings don't have much relevance.

I can understand his parents not being a fan of the football team, but for them to not like Michigan or not want their son to go there just because they are Buckeye fans...well that's very stupid.

he's playing for the football team, and your head coach is public enemy number 1 at his most loyal suitor, wvu. Its not hard to envision that scenario.

Bottom line, it's a very good school.

He is majoring in football, with a second major in something else. Perhaps they don't like him studying general studies or kinesiology. Perhaps they don't trust rr. Or perhaps they just have a bias against um.

 

[ncaahoopfan]

Not getting a 'Michigan' education

Right. It's only natural for parents to hate a university that most publications have rated either as the best or second best public university in the country.

I can understand his parents not being a fan of the football team, but for them to not like Michigan or not want their son to go there just because they are Buckeye fans...well that's very stupid.

Bottom line, it's a very good school.

You are right, Michigan is a terrific academic school, but let's not kid ourselves and think that the education that a Michigan Football player gets is anything like the education that a traditional Michigan student gets.

For 20% of football players (at Michigan or elsewhere) 'great academics' is "great resources, legal or otherwise, that can keep me eligible so I can play football".

For some (a few), strong academics really IS important. If someone wants to be a doctor or a lawyer or a research chemist after football, just about every Big 10 school (and most other top tier football schools) is going to offer an excellent program that will prepare them to 'pass' the pre-requisite entrance exam and for a graduate program at a top level school.

For the rest, 'great academics' is a "great general studies (basic business administration); probably in something that, along with their 'football status', makes them marketable in their hometown. More importantly, if they pick a school that is revered in their hometown (ie 'your' state school), you are even more valuable. This 'education' is available at pretty much any school that plays football (Div I, II or III) and is probably pretty similar is all schools.

I went to Miami-OH (a well respected, non-elite school). I took (and did "averagely") high level, demanding classes and earned a chemistry degree. In those four years, I was in a class with a football player ONE TIME (and it was public speaking). Also never saw any of the guys in the library. They were on a different track, with classes different from the traditional student body. I trust that if I went to Michigan, Purdue, Stanford or Duke it would be the same.

 

[Pimpinnati]

I can understand his parents not being a fan of the football team, but for them to not like Michigan or not want their son to go there just because they are Buckeye fans...well that's very stupid.

Chris Speilman's father threatened to disown his son if he chose the dark side. Look how well that turned out. You call it stupidity. I call it good parenting.

 

[RB07OSU]

Yeah...and OSU has some real academic deficiencies :! Both schools offer top notch educations. OSU also has some rockin' facilities, as does Michigan. Anderson is picking a school as an athlete, so with both schools offering great educations and facilities, football is the choice. Not to mention, with WVU as the supposed leader, I'm not positive how high education is up on his board of criteria. The difference is:
1. We win The Game
2. We have Jim Tressel, not RRod
3. We go to bowl games, not watch them
4. We don't have legacies like Boren fleeing for the border
5. We have rad beards

- Go ahead and split this but come on mbama...I know there is nothing to do with (your) season over, but quit nitpicking all the Michigan related stuff. I do not pick on other schools posters or flame here, but the posts lately just hijack threads and drag into Michigan vs. OSU recruiting, not the prospect at hand (i.e. Hankins thread). Anderson's parents are OSU fans, so of course they wouldn't want him to go there with an OSU offer in hand, especially with the given situations I listed above.

 

[BGriffBuckeye]

Yeah...and OSU has some real academic deficiencies :! Both schools offer top notch educations. OSU also has some rockin' facilities, as does Michigan. Anderson is picking a school as an athlete, so with both schools offering great educations and facilities, football is the choice. Not to mention, with WVU as the supposed leader, I'm not positive how high education is up on his board of criteria. The difference is:
1. We win The Game
2. We have Jim Tressel, not RRod
3. We go to bowl games, not watch them
4. We don't have legacies like Boren fleeing for the border
5. We have rad beards

- Go ahead and split this but come on mbama...I know there is nothing to do with (your) season over, but quit nitpicking all the Michigan related stuff. I do not pick on other schools posters or flame here, but the posts lately just hijack threads and drag into Michigan vs. OSU recruiting, not the prospect at hand (i.e. Hankins thread). Anderson's parents are OSU fans, so of course they wouldn't want him to go there with an OSU offer in hand, especially with the given situations I listed above.

Espeically since this is an Ohio State forum site. I am all for quality fans of other schools coming over to talk and converse with, but seriously, his act is growing tiresome.

 

[Tlangs]

Yeah...and OSU has some real academic deficiencies :! Both schools offer top notch educations. OSU also has some rockin' facilities, as does Michigan. Anderson is picking a school as an athlete, so with both schools offering great educations and facilities, football is the choice. Not to mention, with WVU as the supposed leader, I'm not positive how high education is up on his board of criteria. The difference is:
1. We win The Game
2. We have Jim Tressel, not RRod
3. We go to bowl games, not watch them
4. We don't have legacies like Boren fleeing for the border
5. We have rad beards

- Go ahead and split this but come on mbama...I know there is nothing to do with (your) season over, but quit nitpicking all the Michigan related stuff. I do not pick on other schools posters or flame here, but the posts lately just hijack threads and drag into Michigan vs. OSU recruiting, not the prospect at hand (i.e. Hankins thread). Anderson's parents are OSU fans, so of course they wouldn't want him to go there with an OSU offer in hand, especially with the given situations I listed above.

#5 is prolly the most important one.

 

[NFBuck]

Are his parents die-hard Ohio State fans or something?

Because I have a hard time picturing parents not liking Michigan. The academics are top-notch, the academic center for athletes that was built 3-4 years ago is absolutely incredible, and so are the new facilities and the stadium.

I don't think well land Anderson or anything like that, but I just found that quote about his parents not liking Michigan a little odd.

Richie. Rodriguez.

 

[scarletngray]

Yeah...and OSU has some real academic deficiencies :! Both schools offer top notch educations. OSU also has some rockin' facilities, as does Michigan. Anderson is picking a school as an athlete, so with both schools offering great educations and facilities, football is the choice. Not to mention, with WVU as the supposed leader, I'm not positive how high education is up on his board of criteria. The difference is:
1. We win The Game
2. We have Jim Tressel, not RRod
3. We go to bowl games, not watch them
4. We don't have legacies like Boren fleeing for the border
5. We have rad beards

- Go ahead and split this but come on mbama...I know there is nothing to do with (your) season over, but quit nitpicking all the Michigan related stuff. I do not pick on other schools posters or flame here, but the posts lately just hijack threads and drag into Michigan vs. OSU recruiting, not the prospect at hand (i.e. Hankins thread). Anderson's parents are OSU fans, so of course they wouldn't want him to go there with an OSU offer in hand, especially with the given situations I listed above.

To me, this is the most convincing argument of all. Only recruits who are not man enough to grow a beard, would consider attending the cesspool that is Ann Arbor.

:osu:

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Are his parents die-hard Ohio State fans or something?

Because I have a hard time picturing parents not liking Michigan. The academics are top-notch, the academic center for athletes that was built 3-4 years ago is absolutely incredible, and so are the new facilities and the stadium.

I don't think well land Anderson or anything like that, but I just found that quote about his parents not liking Michigan a little odd.

I'd beat my kid if he had a football scholarship to Ohio State and wanted to visit Michigan. Now I don't have control over other peoples' kids, and if there wasn't a law, and if I was bigger than them, I'd beat them to for considering Michigan. And since there is a law, I'd use the defense of Insanity Because The Kid Is About To Make The Stupidest Decision Of His Life defense, then I would be set free by the judge.

Are you this dense, or just playing stupid?

 

[sepia5]

I'd beat my kid if he had a football scholarship to Ohio State and wanted to visit Michigan. Now I don't have control over other peoples' kids, and if there wasn't a law, and if I was bigger than them, I'd beat them to for considering Michigan. And since there is a law, I'd use the defense of Insanity Because The Kid Is About To Make The Stupidest Decision Of His Life defense, then I would be set free by the judge.

Are you this dense, or just playing stupid?

Is it alright to beat other peoples' kids when those kids choose Michigan football over Ohio State football?

I think so.

 

[Bleed S & G]

5. We have rad beards

Our beards are, in fact, totally mondo.

 

[NFBuck]

Are you this dense, or just playing stupid?

Go read the Braylon Edwards thread...

 

[LordJeffBuck]

The academics are top-notch, the academic center for athletes that was built 3-4 years ago is absolutely incredible....

Right. It's only natural for parents to hate a university that most publications have rated either as the best or second best public university in the country.

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Bottom line, it's a very good school.

So what? Lots of recruits claim that academics are important ... very few of them sign with Harvard and Yale. Bottom line, these kids are going to college to play football, and very few of them are going to talk smack about their "absolutely incredible" academic center, or their ranking in U.S. News & World Report.

For 20% of football players (at Michigan or elsewhere) 'great academics' is "great resources, legal or otherwise, that can keep me eligible so I can play football".

This statement is pretty close to the mark. As I mentioned above, many recruits claim that academics are an important factor in their decisions. Now, that doesn't mean that these kids are asking the coaches, "Do you offer a degree in molecular genetics?" or "How many Rhodes scholars has your school produced?" For a lot of them, "academic concerns" mean "Do I have to go to class?" and "Who's going to write my term papers for me?" and "Do I get academic credit for going to weight lifting sessions?"

 

[BrutusBobcat]

His parents may hate Michigan for the simple fact that their DBs play like turnstiles at the county fair and they'd like for their kid to become good enough to play on Sunday.