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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

Nutriaitch said:
ok, let me attempt to clear up my personal stance on this.

I think this entire fiasco is a fucking black eye on the sport I love more than any other.
all of it.
I'll be posting a link to our podcast later where I say the same thing.

all of it is bullshit and none of it should be happening.

but anyone who even attempts to argue that this shits hasn't been going on for a while is kidding themselves.

so I'm at the point now where "ok, if this is actually condoned and within the rules, then we may as well do it too."

we pay Lane Kiffin a lot of money to field the best team he can within the rules.
and the NCAA and the SEC has shown precedence that they will just allow whatever the most recent court order was to be the rule that's followed.

and that's what LSU did here.
they followed the most recent court ruling.


my opinion on that court ruling isn't relevant.
it's the rule.
if that's the rule, that's the rule. whether I like the rule or not.


now, yeah I am pissed off that LSU is now the team being singled out.
LSU is the "bad guy"
LSU is the one being sued by their own conference.
LSU is the one getting absolutely hammered in the national media.
LSU is the fucking anti-christ while other teams doing the exact same thing are ignored.

it's like y'all felt about the tattoo bullshit that went down at tOSU back in the day.
no fucking way all of these college kids everywhere in America could afford thousand of dollars worth of tattoos on their own.
we all know it was happening everywhere.
but tOSU was used as the "example" and y'all got slammed for it.

that was bullshit.
you know it, I know it.


same here.

is it wrong?
in my opinion, yes.

according to the precedent already set in motion over the last couple years by the NCAA and the SEC? apparently not.

until they now decided to dig their heels in the sand and take a stand against LSU.

so yeah, I'm bitter that WE have to be the team that gets drug through the mud for it.
there are plenty of other schools that could just have easily have taken our spot in this center of this mess.
Hell the fucking Commissioner of the SEC admitted under oath, that he doesn't even know what the NCAA "5 for 5" rule even states. He can't define what a "pro" or an "amateur" is. He refused to answer whether or not Vanderbilt would be penalized if they played a guy involved in this lawsuit. He doesn't know any individual player's specific situation is, but he knows LSU is wrong and is going to sue them over it.



so honestly, I don't even know if the relationship between LSU and the SEC can even be repaired at this point.
so now, my school may be out of a conference over doing the exact same shit that the exact same conference has said was cool to do before we did it.


where the fuck are we going to go next?
Independant? with the massive media market that is Baton Rouge, Louisiana? might as well just go ahead and file bankruptcy now
the B1G? we're not an AAU school , so that issue is dead before it even gets presented.
the Big XII? they'd slit their wrists to land us. but damn that a massive pay cut.
the ACC? might be worse than Big XII.



all because we did the exact same shit that other schools have been doing for a couple years now without any kickback from above.
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So why the fuck is LSU willing to die on this hill ?

So the AD and administration are just sitting back letting Lane make these decisions that could cost them (see list above) ?

They could have just played along and not entertained these players. Y'all put ourselves here in this situation that could have incredible consequences to make your team marginally better. That's bold strategy .....
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Week 1 Game Discussion Thread

buckeyemania11
As soon as Ga Tech settled for a FG I got the feeling Colorado was gonna win. Seems like they find a way to pull 1 game per season like this out of their ass.

I'm sure some of the media hacks will try to make this out that Colorado is on the rebound.....they are still a bad football team though. Ga Tech looks like a bottom half of the ACC type team
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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

jwinslow
Jaxbuck said:
I don’t disagree with your stance on the whole thing except you can’t have just part of the Lane Kiffin experience. You want the good coach, you get the media and you get the army of [redacted]people he’s pissed off in the past allAFTER HOURS WITH LANE ON BOURBON STREET just looking for their shot.
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FIFY.

tosh.O kiffin call in show might be brought out of retirement
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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

BuckeyeNation27
Nutriaitch said:
what fucking part of I don't think ANY of these kids should be eligible and none of this shit should even be happening are you not grasping?
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The part where you say this, but then you just defend defend defend defend defend anyways.

What would it look like if you, hypothetically, didn't like the process but once your team started doing it you realized you actually just like winning more than following what you think is right? I'm guessing it would look exactly like what you're doing now.....rationalizing whatever your team is doing.
Nutriaitch said:
you're right, it's not the same.
because there was no precedent over the previous several years of it being an accepted practice to go along with what the courts said on the subject like there is here.
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Uh, wut? You.....a fan of a team in the SEC....are going to tell me there wasn't precedent of players getting impermissible benefits and it being wink wink nudge nudge OK?




You know what? You're right. LSU is really being railroaded out of nowhere, here. I can't believe a school that has Lane Kiffin and Will Wade as head coaches of the 2 major sports is being treated as if they are a win at all costs, rogue organization. They were told the rules, tried to get around them anyways, and are now shockingly finding it hard to go against the rules.........which they should be allowed to go around because Alabama did it in a different sport a year ago and nobody sued them, even though the whole sports world gave them exactly as much shit as LSU is getting now.
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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

Nutriaitch
BB73 said:
There’s a point of view that since a team is a member of a conference they should just follow the rules of the conference.

I understand that the first player or two were on their way to LSU before the rule was enacted, but the reaction after the SEC made the rule could have been “Sorry guys, we‘re not allowed to add you to the team now.”
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and as of this morning, those players still have not yet been added to the roster.
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Rutgers Scarlet Knights (official troll of PedSU)

Illini Dylan
CincyInterloper said:
I don’t know if Rutgers has ever been the studs of anything in football. We’re talking about a team that went 1-5 against Cincinnati in Big East conference play from 2005 to 2010.
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Also blew a 27-7 lead and lost in overtime to 2005 Illinois, in what turned out to be an almost hilariously awful team, in Zooker's first game here.
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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

BB73
There’s a point of view that since a team is a member of a conference they should just follow the rules of the conference.

I understand that the first player or two were on their way to LSU before the rule was enacted, but the reaction after the SEC made the rule could have been “Sorry guys, we‘re not allowed to add you to the team now.”
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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

Nutriaitch
BuckeyeNation27 said:
Nobody is arguing that.
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right, we're just the only ones being sued over it.

BuckeyeNation27 said:
So you don't really hate it. All it takes is your team doing it, and then magically you're fine with it.
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what fucking part of I don't think ANY of these kids should be eligible and none of this shit should even be happening are you not grasping?
that's my personal opinion on the rule.
that includes these guys, players getting 6th, 7th, 8th, years of eligibility, etc.
I think it's all complete bullshit that this is even happening.

but I don't get to make the rule.

but if this is the rule (by way of court injunction), then I pretty much expect any head coach to go out and try to field the best roster he can. That's part of his job.

I don't have to like it to see that it's bullshit that only one school is being raked over the coals and being sued by name over it.

BuckeyeNation27 said:
No team was ignored.
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so where's the list of lawsuits against other schools doing it?
where is the impromptu SEC meetings to hurry up and release penalties against Alabama when they did it?
when were the court cases with the SEC pushing back and appealing injunctions for any of the other kids at other schools?

BuckeyeNation27 said:
Not same here. At the time, Tressel was Jesus. He reversed the Michigan curse, and he ended a 34 year NC drought. And we STILL ran his ass out of town. And everybody understood why. We accepted that he lied and got caught. So.....not exactly the same approach you're taking.
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you're right, it's not the same.
because there was no precedent over the previous several years of it being an accepted practice to go along with what the courts said on the subject like there is here.

BuckeyeNation27 said:
:roll2:
Yeah......they're totally gonna kick LSU out of the SEC over this. Or LSU will up and leave. Definitely a legitimate possibility here in the real world.
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I don't think that will happen.
but at this point, nothing would surprise me.
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QB1/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

Jaxbuck
Bestbuck36 said:
A bigger Braxton Miller would be sick
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Sheeeeiiit, if he ends up half as good as his old man he’d be a good, starting caliber college QB.

If he’s a better passer and even close to the same kind of athlete…..it’s four hours right?
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