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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

sparcboxbuck
Captain Buckeye said:
I agree with this. When you’re heavily advantaged it doesn’t matter how you play and like you point out maybe the more plays the better to hash things out.

The issue I think many of us have (including a lot of the media it seems) is we had the advantage in nearly all of the games yet still continued with the same approach all year.

So in your opinion what’s the correct approach when your defense is elite but offense is just merely good? I’d think (in these rare situations) we should have more opportunities. First because the defense can take the stress but also because you’re likely to need the extra possessions due to drive efficiency going down.
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I think that's covered under this:
-- Where there is a significant advantage for the defense but not the offense, I agree with the Day MO this year. Minimize where you fall shorter and just be good enough to score one more point than they do... win the games ugly and with defense. Field position is key and the special teams has to be on point.

Ultimately, in this case, we would be the team that just hung around and was there at the end with a chance to win it. This is a rock fight and you want to keep it low scoring and close because one can count on the defense to get the out. The offense just needs to score one point more than the other guy for the W.
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CB Aaron Scott Jr. (National Champion, transfer to Oregon)

RB07OSU
pnuts34 said:
I think he was unhappy that a true frosh beat him out for more PT. And also I had heard of maturity issues off the field. Idk specifics, but that's what was said on multiple pods
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He feels that way based on what was being relayed to him by his coaches and felt that he worked towards those standards, and was playing well enough to be getting more PT. The staff apparently told him he still wasn't ready to get significant PT despite trying to meet the coaches standards. Keep in mind this info is going to be slanted more towards Scott, but it seems like the staff said good riddance to a player at a position of serious need. If the character issues really existed, I'm fine with it. Springfield folks don't agree at all with that assessment and think it's more of a personal rift rather than merit. Tifwiw.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

Captain Buckeye
sparcboxbuck said:
Those of us in the optimization business would refer to that as 'constrained optimization.' And yeah, it's fuck'n hard. More constraints, all things being equal, significantly reduce the likelihood of global optimization as you're focused on solution optimization in the constrained space. If the global optimal lies outside of the local constrained space, there's no chance to globally optimize without relaxing constraint(s). That's the real math of it. We can debate all day long what the best method for local optimization under constraints would be, but I think @Jaxbuck is doing a pretty good job of explaining / interpreting what we would guess Day was operating under while managing through the season.

That said, I think that a more nuanced set of heuristics could be applied. Something along the lines of:

-- When there is a significant advantage for the offense and defense do whatever the hell you want to do. I'd argue that this is where you speed up play, practice things against someone who wants to take your head off your shoulders, experiment with tempo and get the starters out early after getting their reps to make room for the 2nd and 3rd lines to get significant run.

-- When there is a significant advantage for the offense but not the defense, long sustained offensive drives to burn clock OR quick strikes for TDs are a must... provided the defense is giving up field goals. Every TD you score for every FG they score creates a 4-point gap in your favor... so you want more plays than the other guy... again, provided the defense is keeping TDs from being scored.

-- Where there is a significant advantage for the defense but not the offense, I agree with the Day MO this year. Minimize where you fall shorter and just be good enough to score one more point than they do... win the games ugly and with defense. Field position is key and the special teams has to be on point.

-- Where there is no significant advantage for either side of the ball... or talent equated games as they like to call them... is really poker on grass. This is where creative play calling and self scouting are stupid important. Break tendencies, find your best match-ups for a play at the line and go play football. This is where I think Day got in trouble this year. Without good OL play to protect a QB who wasn't getting the ball out quick, offensively they were not able to get the ball to the best match-ups. And I don't know that they significantly broke tendencies. The only real tendency that I saw broken was handing the ball to CJ Donaldson when we weren't on the goal line.

Good stuff... I'm really enjoying reading the debate(s) on this.
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I agree with this. When you’re heavily advantaged it doesn’t matter how you play and like you point out maybe the more plays the better to hash things out.

The issue I think many of us have (including a lot of the media it seems) is we had the advantage in nearly all of the games yet still continued with the same approach all year.

So in your opinion what’s the correct approach when your defense is elite but offense is just merely good? I’d think (in these rare situations) we should have more opportunities. First because the defense can take the stress but also because you’re likely to need the extra possessions due to drive efficiency going down.
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S Caleb Downs, Captain (All B1G, B1G DB of year, B1G DPOY, 2X Unanimous All American, LOTT Trophy, Thorpe Award, National Champion)

BuckeyeBiz
No drama for this decision. Congrats to Caleb on an elite all American college career and winning a natty. He will be an all timer at Ohio State and likely HOF 10 + year NFL all pro. I don’t remember seeing a better tackler and he just locked it down. Seems to be a really intelligent guy that’s handled success way better than most could be expected at his age. Wish him well and so thankful for the two amazing seasons we had him on our squad.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

sparcboxbuck
Jaxbuck said:
No one is trying to.

Ask yourself which scenario requires the fewest assumptions here
1) Ryan Day was unaware that he was trailing and too stupid to know that if he just sped up he would score more points

2) Ryan Day knew he was trailing, also knew his QB and OL were not able to execute any better no matter the number of plays and was forced to deal with that reality as frustrating as it was.

Ryan Day was managing a constraint. People on a message board conflate all kinds of logical fallacies and cognitive biases to try to arrive at some theory by which they fixed the problem/optimized the situation (at least in their own heads).

Managing constraints does not equal managing for optimization.
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Those of us in the optimization business would refer to that as 'constrained optimization.' And yeah, it's fuck'n hard. More constraints, all things being equal, significantly reduce the likelihood of global optimization as you're focused on solution optimization in the constrained space. If the global optimal lies outside of the local constrained space, there's no chance to globally optimize without relaxing constraint(s). That's the real math of it. We can debate all day long what the best method for local optimization under constraints would be, but I think @Jaxbuck is doing a pretty good job of explaining / interpreting what we would guess Day was operating under while managing through the season.

That said, I think that a more nuanced set of heuristics could be applied. Something along the lines of:

-- When there is a significant advantage for the offense and defense do whatever the hell you want to do. I'd argue that this is where you speed up play, practice things against someone who wants to take your head off your shoulders, experiment with tempo and get the starters out early after getting their reps to make room for the 2nd and 3rd lines to get significant run.

-- When there is a significant advantage for the offense but not the defense, long sustained offensive drives to burn clock OR quick strikes for TDs are a must... provided the defense is giving up field goals. Every TD you score for every FG they score creates a 4-point gap in your favor... so you want more plays than the other guy... again, provided the defense is keeping TDs from being scored.

-- Where there is a significant advantage for the defense but not the offense, I agree with the Day MO this year. Minimize where you fall shorter and just be good enough to score one more point than they do... win the games ugly and with defense. Field position is key and the special teams has to be on point.

-- Where there is no significant advantage for either side of the ball... or talent equated games as they like to call them... is really poker on grass. This is where creative play calling and self scouting are stupid important. Break tendencies, find your best match-ups for a play at the line and go play football. This is where I think Day got in trouble this year. Without good OL play to protect a QB who wasn't getting the ball out quick, offensively they were not able to get the ball to the best match-ups. And I don't know that they significantly broke tendencies. The only real tendency that I saw broken was handing the ball to CJ Donaldson when we weren't on the goal line.

Good stuff... I'm really enjoying reading the debate(s) on this.
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