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Florida Gators (official thread)

Coach Jon Sumrall takes away Gators logos to push new team

Jon Sumrall had no idea one of his first major moves as Florida's football coach had been done before in Gainesville more than two decades ago.

Sumrall gave his players shorts, shirts and other gear without any Gators logos. It was reminiscent of Hall of Fame coach Urban Meyer's approach in 2005, which paid off with two national titles in his first four seasons at Florida.

"Gotta earn it. Gotta earn the logo," Sumrall said. "We ain't earned it yet. We haven't earned a damn thing. All we've got is our name. ... To wear the Florida Gator logo, to wear the Gators across your helmet, to wear the Gator head, you got to earn that."

Sumrall said he is unsure how or when the players can earn logos.

"I haven't thought about that yet," he said....:lol:

Florida hired Sumrall in late November, days after it became clear to athletic director Scott Stricklin that top choice Lane Kiffin was headed to LSU. Sumrall signed a six-year, $44.7 million deal to replace Billy Napier and potentially get the once-proud program back to national prominence.

Sumrall's coaching résumé includes four consecutive league title game appearances. He won back-to-back Sun Belt championships in two seasons (2022-23) at Troy and then led Tulane to the American title game in both his seasons (2024-25) there. The Green Wave won the league last season and earned a spot in the College Football Playoff.

Sumrall's first steps included keeping five top-tier players in Gainesville: linebacker Myles Graham, running back Jadan Baugh, defensive end Jayden Woods, and wide receivers Vernell Brown III and Dallas Wilson. Some of them considered hitting the transfer portal, but all ended up back at Florida -- at a combined cost of $5.2 million -- for Sumrall's debut season.

"Clearly, the most important thing to me was trying to retain our best players," Sumrall said. "Not going to keep them all, ever. There's a coaching change. There's going to be some change and some transition, but that part was critical for us to have any opportunity to have success next year."
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$5.2M combined? Feels like a steal this year.
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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

Pretty good indication that athletes being employees is probably the right idea.

just sayin': For an equal playing field the players union would probably negotiate with the NCAA for how to divvy up the $20.5M (House vs NCAA settlement). The problem is the (almost endless amount of) NIL money some school have. I can't see the players union ever agreeing to a overall "salary cap" that would include NIL money. You look at MLB, NBA, NFL, and NHL, the union and leagues negotiations just concerns what the teams pay they players. All the professional athletes are on their own for endorsement deals and some of the top athletics make a whole lot more than what their team is playing them in endorsements/appearances/autographs, etc.
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Ohio State Men's Tennis (2014/2019/2024 ITA Indoor National Champs, 19 Straight B1G Titles)

Does anybody have a recommendation on how early to get to the WF match tomorrow at 2pm? I suspect have to stand waiting in line for a while, I think doors open 1hr before match? I was thinking of getting there at noon but not excited about standing in the cold for an hour or two.
Would recommend that you Go early!
Because the OSU women’s team is hosting #14 ranked Virginia Cavaliers starting at 11 am.

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Look Who's Transferring Now (The Portal)

HS kids will have to learn that unless you’re game changing you aren’t making shit and you’d better stay put for years 1-2. Years 3-5 is where all the money is going.

As was pointed out. If these kids don’t adjust they’re going to end up out of football by the age of 20. I wonder what long term impact this will have on kids.
I think like most things in life, it depends on the family dynamic and socioeconomic standing of the kid. And unfortunately many of these poor urban and rural kids, sports is the way out for many of them. Without it, many would be back at the local factory, construction site, some type of dead end job and hopefully not ending up on illegal means. For many family’s sad to say, this kid is the hope for them to have some type of family financial success. A lot of pressure for a teenager.

But I agree that a number of kids would’ve been better off staying at their first school.
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2025-2026 College Basketball General Discussion

I would have them out if they don't win the MAC tournament. I don't care that you win every game in the MAC, if you have no quality wins and choose not to challenge yourself in nonconference, you don't deserve an at-large.

I would do the same. Not so sure about the committee though I think theres a good chance they would still stick them in under that scenario
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2025-2026 College Basketball General Discussion

339th SOS according to Kenpom lol. Would be interesting if they finish the regular season undefeated but lose in the MAC tourney. NET is currently outside of the top 50, they aren't even the highest MAC team (Akron is 1 spot ahead of them). Would be a interesting case if they finished the regular season undefeated but lost in the MAC tourney. Their NET definitely wouldn't stack up against bubble teams from power conferences.
I would have them out if they don't win the MAC tournament. I don't care that you win every game in the MAC, if you have no quality wins and choose not to challenge yourself in nonconference, you don't deserve an at-large.
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2025-2026 College Basketball General Discussion

Miami (OH) is about to move to 22-0. Pretty shocking for a MAC team, but if you look at their schedule, they didn't really challenge themselves in nonconference play. Air Force is probably the biggest name they've played all season, unless you count UMass (who's in the MAC now).

339th SOS according to Kenpom lol. Would be interesting if they finish the regular season undefeated but lose in the MAC tourney. NET is currently outside of the top 50, they aren't even the highest MAC team (Akron is 1 spot ahead of them). Would be a interesting case if they finished the regular season undefeated but lost in the MAC tourney. Their NET definitely wouldn't stack up against bubble teams from power conferences.
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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

Sen. Ted Cruz against idea of college athletes as employees

Sen. Ted Cruz said it is "absolutely critical" that any federal law related to college sports includes a provision that prevents athletes from being deemed employees of their school.

The Republican from Texas, who holds a key position in advancing NCAA legislation as chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, told ESPN in an interview Wednesday that Congress might run out of time to act if it can't find a bipartisan solution in the coming months. During a yearslong effort to restore order to the college sports industry, Republicans and Democrats have remained largely divided on whether college athletes should have a future avenue for collective bargaining, which would require them to be employees.

"Clarifying that student athletes are not employees is absolutely critical," Cruz told ESPN. "Without it, we will see enormous and irreparable damage to college sports."

Cruz and NCAA leaders say many smaller schools would not be able to afford their teams if athletes had to be paid and receive benefits as employees. However, as lawsuits over player contracts and eligibility rules continue to mount, a growing number of frustrated coaches and athletic directors from major programs say they are open to collective bargaining as a solution.

"I've always been against this idea of players as employees, but quite frankly, that might be the only way to protect the collegiate model," Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney, a longtime defender of amateurism, said at a news conference last week.

The NCAA and its members have spent millions of dollars in the past several years lobbying Congress for a bill that would grant the association an antitrust exemption, supersede state laws related to college sports and block attempts to gain employee status for athletes. Despite more than a dozen Capitol Hill hearings and a long list of proposals, no bill has reached a full vote in either chamber of Congress to date.

Senate Commerce Committee staff told ESPN that Cruz and a bipartisan group of senators have made significant progress on a new draft of a bill but are at an impasse on the employment issue. Cruz said Democrats and labor unions are concerned about setting a broader precedent for other industries by closing the door on college athlete employment, which has led to the stalemate.

"From a political perspective, you have labor union bosses that would love to see every college athlete deemed an employee made a member of a union and contributing union dues to elect Democrats," Cruz said. "It's terrible for college sports, but I get that there's some partisan appeal to it."

Sen. Maria Cantwell, the highest-ranking Democrat on the Commerce Committee, said in a statement to ESPN that she also sees "growing bipartisan interest" for Congress to act. She has proposed separate college sports legislation that doesn't advocate for athletes to be employees but leaves the door open for employment or collective bargaining in the future. She told ESPN that the committee "should move the ball forward with a hearing on this [topic]."

The large and expanding gap between the top tier of college teams and the rest of the NCAA has made it difficult to find a fair solution for all parties.
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Pretty good indication that athletes being employees is probably the right idea.
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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

Sen. Ted Cruz against idea of college athletes as employees

Sen. Ted Cruz said it is "absolutely critical" that any federal law related to college sports includes a provision that prevents athletes from being deemed employees of their school.

The Republican from Texas, who holds a key position in advancing NCAA legislation as chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, told ESPN in an interview Wednesday that Congress might run out of time to act if it can't find a bipartisan solution in the coming months. During a yearslong effort to restore order to the college sports industry, Republicans and Democrats have remained largely divided on whether college athletes should have a future avenue for collective bargaining, which would require them to be employees.

"Clarifying that student athletes are not employees is absolutely critical," Cruz told ESPN. "Without it, we will see enormous and irreparable damage to college sports."

Cruz and NCAA leaders say many smaller schools would not be able to afford their teams if athletes had to be paid and receive benefits as employees. However, as lawsuits over player contracts and eligibility rules continue to mount, a growing number of frustrated coaches and athletic directors from major programs say they are open to collective bargaining as a solution.

"I've always been against this idea of players as employees, but quite frankly, that might be the only way to protect the collegiate model," Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney, a longtime defender of amateurism, said at a news conference last week.

The NCAA and its members have spent millions of dollars in the past several years lobbying Congress for a bill that would grant the association an antitrust exemption, supersede state laws related to college sports and block attempts to gain employee status for athletes. Despite more than a dozen Capitol Hill hearings and a long list of proposals, no bill has reached a full vote in either chamber of Congress to date.

Senate Commerce Committee staff told ESPN that Cruz and a bipartisan group of senators have made significant progress on a new draft of a bill but are at an impasse on the employment issue. Cruz said Democrats and labor unions are concerned about setting a broader precedent for other industries by closing the door on college athlete employment, which has led to the stalemate.

"From a political perspective, you have labor union bosses that would love to see every college athlete deemed an employee made a member of a union and contributing union dues to elect Democrats," Cruz said. "It's terrible for college sports, but I get that there's some partisan appeal to it."

Sen. Maria Cantwell, the highest-ranking Democrat on the Commerce Committee, said in a statement to ESPN that she also sees "growing bipartisan interest" for Congress to act. She has proposed separate college sports legislation that doesn't advocate for athletes to be employees but leaves the door open for employment or collective bargaining in the future. She told ESPN that the committee "should move the ball forward with a hearing on this [topic]."

The large and expanding gap between the top tier of college teams and the rest of the NCAA has made it difficult to find a fair solution for all parties.
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Florida Gators (official thread)

Coach Jon Sumrall takes away Gators logos to push new team

Jon Sumrall had no idea one of his first major moves as Florida's football coach had been done before in Gainesville more than two decades ago.

Sumrall gave his players shorts, shirts and other gear without any Gators logos. It was reminiscent of Hall of Fame coach Urban Meyer's approach in 2005, which paid off with two national titles in his first four seasons at Florida.

"Gotta earn it. Gotta earn the logo," Sumrall said. "We ain't earned it yet. We haven't earned a damn thing. All we've got is our name. ... To wear the Florida Gator logo, to wear the Gators across your helmet, to wear the Gator head, you got to earn that."

Sumrall said he is unsure how or when the players can earn logos.

"I haven't thought about that yet," he said....:lol:

Florida hired Sumrall in late November, days after it became clear to athletic director Scott Stricklin that top choice Lane Kiffin was headed to LSU. Sumrall signed a six-year, $44.7 million deal to replace Billy Napier and potentially get the once-proud program back to national prominence.

Sumrall's coaching résumé includes four consecutive league title game appearances. He won back-to-back Sun Belt championships in two seasons (2022-23) at Troy and then led Tulane to the American title game in both his seasons (2024-25) there. The Green Wave won the league last season and earned a spot in the College Football Playoff.

Sumrall's first steps included keeping five top-tier players in Gainesville: linebacker Myles Graham, running back Jadan Baugh, defensive end Jayden Woods, and wide receivers Vernell Brown III and Dallas Wilson. Some of them considered hitting the transfer portal, but all ended up back at Florida -- at a combined cost of $5.2 million -- for Sumrall's debut season.

"Clearly, the most important thing to me was trying to retain our best players," Sumrall said. "Not going to keep them all, ever. There's a coaching change. There's going to be some change and some transition, but that part was critical for us to have any opportunity to have success next year."
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2027 TN RB David Gabriel Georges (Verbal Offer)

I did. Beanie was great. Too bad he got hurt vs Texas in the bowl game or else we win that one going away

We’ve had some great ones….before Maurice it was Robert Smith. Before that the recruiting was not so national. But if it were Byars would have been like this.
Let’s not forget Robert Smith…

And let’s get back to DGG :lol:
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Ohio State @ Wisconsin, Saturday Jan. 31, 2pm EST, FOX

You're right, that's been the one constant with three coaches over practically 10 years now, not enough dogs, too many puppies. Wisconsin really exposed OSU's lack of post presence - both offensively and defensively, it was embarrassing. Blackwell for Wisconsin is the perfect example of the type of player OSU needs more of, a guy who will bully his way to the basket and not let a defender being in his way stop him. You need a team filled with guys who can handle some bumps, be able to play through contact, get to the foul line and convert in the paint, but over the last several seasons OSU puts together teams with maybe 2 guys who can do it and 8 who can't. There absolutely should be a higher priority in recruiting players with the requisite size, strength and athleticism to hold their own at the B1G level. At this point, what justification is there for continuing to recruit based on the same failed emphasis on offensive skillset over all else?

You need to get a coach who is willing to do that. I do not think that Diebler is that coach. He's got some nice players committed but none of really what you describe here.
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