lvbuckeye said:

We didn't beat ourselves. We got beat and out-coached.

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Fuckin cry about it.

buckeyemania11 said:

Yes the dude from Ball State, but considering he couldn't beat out Fielding for the job it's hard to have confidence there

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He's in the portal now too right?

SEREbuckeye said:

“Fine” is the perfect word. Not exciting, not optimistic, just… fine. And that’s what it will be for the next 3 years for them until Whittingham is gone. This is Rich Rod, Brady Hoke shit. A medium to get them through darkness without too many losses.

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I don't think Whittingham will tank quite like Rich Rod but it's hard to see them being better than 8-4 in the next 2 seasons unless they get some major player upgrades which doesn't seem to be likely.

cincibuck said:

Things I question: 1. Why Day doesn't give #2 QB any plays/PT, especially in blow outs. 2. Why this team can't develop a consistent running/short yardage/red zone offense. 3. What's going to happen in Bloomington next year.

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I mean what were you expecting to happen with a different QB considering the OL getting annihilated every other snap?

BUCKYLE said:

Noah Roger's? Lol

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It's not Rogers. Terrell Anderson

osuvictory1 said:

Honestly, I think some of their hires seem fine. The big knock on them is not being acquainted for long periods of time with players east of the Mississippi.

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“Fine” is the perfect word. Not exciting, not optimistic, just… fine. And that’s what it will be for the next 3 years for them until Whittingham is gone. This is Rich Rod, Brady Hoke shit. A medium to get them through darkness without too many losses.

Everyone hates him so much

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I dunno, I feel like the only disappointment on the offense was the OL. While I didn't think they'd neutralize Miami's DL at all, I thought it'd look more like the second half than the first. First half they may as well have not even been on the field during passing plays. They were getting absolutely destroyed. Second half it felt like they were winning more battles than they lost. Definitely should've went to Padilla earlier but I assume they were trying to give Van Sickle time to work out the rust given he'd played pretty well against Indiana.

All this talk about offensive philosophy needs to be put on hold until OSU gets an OL that can consistently block and I MIGHT be in the camp that thinks Bowen either needs to be replaced or moved to another position. Ain't no way the OL is supposed to look like that with all of that returning talent.

buckeyemania11 said:

The fluffers have been floating that they are pursuing a "huge portal WR" said WR is apparently a guy who had 600 yards receiving at NC State this year. Shut it down championship confirmed.

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Noah Roger's? Lol

Jaxbuck said:

Totally agree on how they did it but that's an execution thing.

I've watched other teams this bowl season adapt to a fierce pass rush through quick, short passes to the TE's, backs and WR's. They didn't go up tempo, they just stopped dropping their QB deep, rolled him out or whatever.

Listen, if you see a specific team is very vulnerable to tempo because you can run the DL ragged then by all means, but that's just a tactical application of tempo, it isn't an overall strategy. You still have to execute.

I think as the all 22 film starts to come out we will see that Saying had many chances to execute and win vs these teams and defenses. It's not like Day doesn't know how to draw up a quick passing game.

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Well, yeah….

He missed (2) TD throws. Max Klare over the middle after he underthrew Jeremiah Smith on the deep ball (that should’ve been a TD as well but I digress) and he missed Carnell Tate streaking down the middle bc he came off him to early and dumped it the RB instead.

And I’m not advocating going tempo every play…..im advocating for tempo periodically, bc yes, it absolutely gasses a defensive line when they don’t get substitution opportunities. We actually did go tempo in the 3rd quarter, and it worked well. As stated before, it could be argued Miami went soft playing with a lead….but we gained momentum in the 3rd Q while going tempo. And then in the 4th Quarter, we went back to what we’ve done all year, and it felt like we sucked all the energy out of the stadium.

Again, I get playing to the best odds, and how playing efficient makes sense. But all it takes is one game wrecker like Rueben Bain to destroy a gameplan. Or a roster of 5th and 6th year seniors employing an incredible stunt strategy that our guys struggle to pick up.

I feel Day got overly simplistic and missed a relatively easy opportunity to make life harder on Miami. And to be honest, the game plan was there….SMU and Louisville both beat Miami with similar plans. I guess that’s frustrating too….its not like Miami is “that good”….we let them exploit our biggest weakness with their biggest strength. It’s not apples to apples but it feels somewhat like our loss to Michigan last year. From an efficiency standpoint, it never made much sense to continually run it at (2) first RD DT’s. But that was the gameplan….bc efficiency??

Perhaps one lesson is that, despite the player health benefits from running fewer plays, the offense needs to vary tempo during games and drives, so that it is accustomed to uptempo when needed?

Perhaps another lesson is that, when everyone is blowing smoke up your backside about no weaknesses anywhere, fart.

The fluffers have been floating that they are pursuing a "huge portal WR" said WR is apparently a guy who had 600 yards receiving at NC State this year. Shut it down championship confirmed.

Thump said:

Jim Lachey said on the radio today that he would have entered the portal every year if it were around then to get the most out OSU each year.

Just because one enters the portal does not necessarily mean that they want to leave.

Players have all of the leverage and should use it until guidelines are put in place.

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I would encourage every player to look around or at least be clear in what offers they were getting. It gives you intel on the market and how you are doing as a team.

You should be wanting to constantly learn and improve on ways to make your package of comp and culture a place that most guys will not leave.

Turns you into a talent destination, not just a place to work (and I think Day has done a great job of this).

Enough of this..."we run a gauntlet of top teams and don't need to play top teams outside our conference"

The 33% SEC bowl win record is worse than the MAC and CUSA

Conference bowl game W/L records

Thump said:

Jim Lachey said on the radio today that he would have entered the portal every year if it were around then to get the most out OSU each year.

Just because one enters the portal does not necessarily mean that they want to leave.

Players have all of the leverage and should use it until guidelines are put in place.

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I mean, agreed.

I think it’s pretty well known Leavitt is going to one of three schools, depending on Dante Moore’s decision.

KY is a solid first visit because they’ll come heavy knowing they aren’t a serious contender unless they make a MASSIVE offer by NIL standards. It’ll be nice to walk into Eugene, LSU, and Miami with a sizable offer for them to work off of.

With the schedule, scUM will have a very hard time getting above 8-4 at best in 2026 if all they are able to bring in to replace what they are losing are Utah/BYU caliber guys. The outlook for 2027 will be about the same as well if they have the same kind of off-season

billmac91 said:

I think what Indiana and Miami exposed though, is OSU may be more talented in nearly every position group, but all it takes is a defensive line to wreck the efficiency if the offensive line cannot hold up….and once they offensive line cannot hold up consistently, it dramatically effects our freshman QB even when his protection isn’t bad.

In this case, using tempo can help a weakness compared to the other team (our offensive line versus their defensive line), and maximize our talent at positions where we do have the advantage (go tempo so the defense plays a “base” coverage that allows our offense to exploit our advantages more easily).

I think where the argument to play as slow as Day is, fundamentally breaks down, is when we cannot execute because we just aren’t more talented in one facet of the game. I was rolling with it until Indiana made Swiss cheese of our o-line and then Miami basically did the same thing with stunts.

I guess, IMO, I’m not cutting my nose off in spite of my face…..I feel like Day let Indiana and Miami beat us with (1) position group….i guess (2) if you count special teams. But defensive lines wrecked our season. And you can gameplan around elite defensive lines…..we just didn’t for the most part.

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Totally agree on how they did it but that's an execution thing.

I've watched other teams this bowl season adapt to a fierce pass rush through quick, short passes to the TE's, backs and WR's. They didn't go up tempo, they just stopped dropping their QB deep, rolled him out or whatever.

Listen, if you see a specific team is very vulnerable to tempo because you can run the DL ragged then by all means, but that's just a tactical application of tempo, it isn't an overall strategy. You still have to execute.

I think as the all 22 film starts to come out we will see that Saying had many chances to execute and win vs these teams and defenses. It's not like Day doesn't know how to draw up a quick passing game.

RuGettinIt said:

You sound like you would be a good CEO. This is the kind of talk that our CEO gives in Company meetings, sans the football.

The ideas and concepts are very much the same. Execution is the key to it all. Well stated.

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It's not a CEO thing, it's years of working to get better at decision making.

I know what the logic failures, cognitive biases and lack of awareness of what the real risks are, what the real bet is feel and sound like because I made them all many times.

I've just made it my business to get better at risk management/decision making and as a result I see the game of football completely different than I did when I was younger.

Football coaches had it right when it was run and stop the run. That as the way to be most efficient. 3yards a a cloud of dust meant you had the ball, he didn't and if you could do that to them instead of them doing that to you, you'll win.

Then they took their eye off what really mattered which was scoring. Empty TOP means almost nothing. This is where I had the heart burn with Martyball/Tresselball types. They were content to manage the game to a state where they had a good defense rested and protecting a 1 score lead. That isn't optimal.

June Jones, Mike Leach type went too far the other way and over emphasized scoring alone.

Urban got it back to a modern understanding when he said the best defense was a 14 point lead. His philosophy was power run, keep the ball moving down the field and defense was built to play with a lead then disrupt. Get his offense the ball back as fast as possible either through chaos or a quick score.

I feel like Day has it as right as you can get it now. Manage the game so that you limit the opponents possessions in relation to yours AND score the most points possible in your possessions. Sounds simple but it's really an important distinction. He's intentionally maximizing his edge in talent and minimizing his exposure to random variance.

There can be no question that is the right overall approach. The results not being what you want doesn't invalidate the approach.