buckeyemania11 said:

To the Diebler defenders how much time is "enough time"? Are you still ok with him if he misses the tournament again next year?

What about the conclusion of this year? They could realistically lose every remaining game. If the only win down the stretch is against Ped State are you ok with that?

Click to expand...

As not exactly a defender but as someone who supported the hire in a why not take a chance on it working out given where Holtmann had left things and his initially putting some energy into the team, I'd can him if we're not dancing next year, assuming of course that we're out this year, which is probably a pretty safe assumption. We're solidly above the trash of the BIG and solidly below the top and second tier quality of the BIG, and that's not good enough for me. While I agree with others that the administration isn't doing Diebler any favors, they still don't have to be mostly soft and play stupidly for large stretches of games.

DZ83CK said:

Disagree. Right now fans aren't going to support OSU hoops NIL in a manner that moved their station nationally regardless of who's the coach.

Click to expand...

Well we will have to disagree....I have little doubt that if a Dusty May or Pat Kelsey was at Ohio State that NIL would not be in a much better situation.

bigdog3300 said:

I think those go a bit hand in hand....enthusiasm in Diebler and the program are at what feels like all-time lows, so to expect significant NIL support is unreasonable. A hiring that brought back energy would see at least some uptick into NIL.

Click to expand...

Disagree. Right now fans aren't going to support OSU hoops NIL in a manner that moved their station nationally regardless of who's the coach.

DaveyBoy said:

Barring an unexpected surge Kate in the season to get into the NCAA tourney, it’s time to pull the pin. All keeping Diebler is doing now is making it harder to recover.

Click to expand...

Yep. Hang onto Diebler for 4 or 5 years and the program is likely further down the drain than it is now

DZ83CK said:

Would you take a job if you were told "here are bottom-half of Big Ten resources at a school that fans expect to contend for B1G championships, and oh by the way, many fans will lobby for you to be fired if you aren't making the NCAA tournament within 2 years"? If you see things from that perspective, it's not hard to see how we ended up with Jake Diebler as the head coach.

Click to expand...

Maybe a head coach hire that actually inspired even just some enthusiasm would get some more NIL rolling into the program. I'd argue the athletic department has created the poor conditions for everything but football.

I think Diebler was cheap and he was right there so they didn't have to actually have a coaching search they didn't really want to put the effort into. That's how we ended up with Diebler.

Barring an unexpected surge Kate in the season to get into the NCAA tourney, it’s time to pull the pin. All keeping Diebler is doing now is making it harder to recover.

buckeyemania11 said:

So we should just expect mediocrity. Ok.

Click to expand...

Would you take a job if you were told "here are bottom-half of Big Ten resources at a school that fans expect to contend for B1G championships, and oh by the way, many fans will lobby for you to be fired if you aren't making the NCAA tournament within 2 years"? If you see things from that perspective, it's not hard to see how we ended up with Jake Diebler as the head coach.

DZ83CK said:

I didn't say 16 wins is meeting expectations. He's in Year 2 and NIL is not helping, it's actively hurting him.

Click to expand...

I think those go a bit hand in hand....enthusiasm in Diebler and the program are at what feels like all-time lows, so to expect significant NIL support is unreasonable. A hiring that brought back energy would see at least some uptick into NIL.

OSU's next game is vs USC on 2/11. I'd say that is as much of a must-win as you can have with tourney hopes hanging on by a thread at this point. But it's a tricky game, though, as USC obviously has some very talented players, and has invested in building depth on their roster (something that OSU has not done at a comparable level).

DZ83CK said:

IMO, as long as NIL is putting OSU in the bottom-half of the B1G, it's not right for the AD to give the coach fewer than 4 years unless he's only winning around 10 games per season.

Click to expand...

So we should just expect mediocrity. Ok.

IMO, as long as NIL is putting OSU in the bottom-half of the B1G, it's not right for the AD to give the coach fewer than 4 years unless he's only winning around 10 games per season.

buckeyemania11 said:

Lol we are at a point where 16 wins is "meeting expectations" speaks to the beyond stale state of the program.

Click to expand...

I didn't say 16 wins is meeting expectations. He's in Year 2 and NIL is not helping, it's actively hurting him.

DZ83CK said:

Why don't we let this year play out first? It's nonsense to fire Diebler after this season even if they finish with 16 wins.

Click to expand...

Lol we are at a point where 16 wins is "meeting expectations" speaks to the beyond stale state of the program.

buckeyemania11 said:

To the Diebler defenders how much time is "enough time"? Are you still ok with him if he misses the tournament again next year?

What about the conclusion of this year? They could realistically lose every remaining game. If the only win down the stretch is against Ped State are you ok with that?

Click to expand...

Why don't we let this year play out first? It's nonsense to fire Diebler after this season even if they finish with 16 wins.

buckeyemania11 said:

Next year IMO might be ugly. Diebler has not shown that he can get higher level players in the portal. Thompson is a high level HS recruit but even if he plays at an elite level that won't be hear enough to carry the team

Click to expand...

NIL is what it takes to win in the portal, pure and simple. We already know that. Kennard Davis Jr was obviously shopping for the highest bidder and found it after a period of weeks at BYU, and while OSU was interested they didn't have $2 million to spare even for a kid who would start. If anything, Diebler not getting higher level players in the portal proves my point that OSU is not investing NIL funds into the men's hoops team sufficient to compete with their peers.

Miss the tourney, he should be fired! Plain and simple.

BuckBackHome said:

Brad Arnold, lead singer of Grammy-nominated rock band 3 Doors Down, dies at 47

Brad Arnold, the lead singer of the Grammy-nominated rock band 3 Doors Down, has died. He was 47. Arnold's death comes months after he announced that he had been diagnosed with Stage 4 kidney cancer.

apnews.com

Login to view embedded media

Click to expand...

I remember that song, back when pop music was still borderline listenable. Hadn't heard it since it was on the radio. RIP.

To the Diebler defenders how much time is "enough time"? Are you still ok with him if he misses the tournament again next year?

What about the conclusion of this year? They could realistically lose every remaining game. If the only win down the stretch is against Ped State are you ok with that?

GreenwoodBuck said:

Hate to say it but Cupps should be playing more in my opinion. He can shoot, just chooses not to. Wouldn’t be surprised to see White, Cupps, and even Chatman transfer. These kids don’t like riding the pine when the ones on the floor are stinking up the joint. I don’t blame them either. This damn team is nothing but a bunch of dribblers. Yes, that includes Bruce! I see better ball movement in high school.

Click to expand...

Next year IMO might be ugly. Diebler has not shown that he can get higher level players in the portal. Thompson is a high level HS recruit but even if he plays at an elite level that won't be hear enough to carry the team

Bunch of damn quitters!

Hate to say it but Cupps should be playing more in my opinion. He can shoot, just chooses not to. Wouldn’t be surprised to see White, Cupps, and even Chatman transfer. These kids don’t like riding the pine when the ones on the floor are stinking up the joint. I don’t blame them either. This damn team is nothing but a bunch of dribblers. Yes, that includes Bruce! I see better ball movement in high school.

Teams just given up at this point. This is sad.

OHSportsFan said:

Bynum closing out is useless. Lost all discipline on defense.

Click to expand...

Ill disclose once against that Michigan is obviously more talented but there's zero excuse for them getting this many wide open uncontested shots. Just the result of a poorly coached team.

How many wide open looks has scUM gotten in this game? I lost count