I finally saw this game. First of all, a bit surprised Evan Turner repeatedly pronounced Devin Royal's name as "Royale" ... anyways, it really was a team effort in this game with a number of Buckeyes contributing at times offensively, and that's really critical for this or any team really. I don't think anyone here mentioned it, but Diebler strategically switched to a 1-3-1 zone defense, which pushed Rutgers guards past the 3-point arc, and it worked really well. I think certainly being able to adapt and change as necessary is vital for this team being able to win games like this. Diebler also has been pretty good at getting these guys to score out of timeouts, and it happened again in this game. Ogbole for Rutgers was a beast on the glass - very big, strong, quick and high motor - so I can see why OSU struggled with offensive rebounds against him - that being said, you don't want to give up that many offensive rebounds. I would have liked to seen Bynum in particular go a little harder on pursuing defensive rebounds. Tilly I think always is going to struggle a little bit on the glass in a particularly frustrating way, but it is what it is.

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lvbuckeye said:

Snapping the ball faster than the defense can get set is what I mean by tempo.

The '24 offense would often hurry up to the line after a decently long play and snap the ball before the defense could make any substitutions or stunt/blitz calls, ESPECIALLY in the playoff. I can't recall the '25 offense doing that very often.

The '25 offense ran like a 1991 Ford Tempo: pretty reliable, but slow as balls.

The OL shouldn't have even been part of the discussion. They returned three starters and were projected to be a strength. Alas, as I've stated many times before, you can't run 5 receivers every play. But you need 5 offensive linemen every play. Ryan Day needs to find the OL version of Brian Hartline.

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2024 also regularly false started when trying to go tempo.

And what you are neglecting is the QB needs to be comfortable with the plays to go tempo how often did this year we see Sayin walk to the line to adjust protections 3 or 4 times

pnuts34 said:

The problem is, it is sustainable to be this ridiculous since programs and conferences now are introducing private equity. And soon enough the Saudis could get involved. But I digress. Let’s get this convo back on Scott. We can continue this convee in the Transfer Portal thread

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It is about Scott because this is probably mostly about money.

Jaxbuck said:

Ok so the goal posts have been moved from tempo to timing of snap count and predictable play calling.

In other words you think it’s more likely that the difference between 24 results and 25 is Day as a play caller and not the QB, OL and RB personnel differences.

that actually makes sense to you?

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Snapping the ball faster than the defense can get set is what I mean by tempo.

The '24 offense would often hurry up to the line after a decently long play and snap the ball before the defense could make any substitutions or stunt/blitz calls, ESPECIALLY in the playoff. I can't recall the '25 offense doing that very often.

The '25 offense ran like a 1991 Ford Tempo: pretty reliable, but slow as balls.

The OL shouldn't have even been part of the discussion. They returned three starters and were projected to be a strength. Alas, as I've stated many times before, you can't run 5 receivers every play. But you need 5 offensive linemen every play. Ryan Day needs to find the OL version of Brian Hartline.

Captain Buckeye said:

How the hell would they know…

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They seemed to be pretty plugged in given their followers,

Seahawks driving the ball up and down the field and not scoring

RuGettinIt said:

It’s seriously unsustainable at this time.

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osuvictory1 said:

Sometimes everything needs to meltdown to it's lowest point.

It's a legal fine line, because the schools can't collude together, and how do you salary cap?

Soon unsustainable and unwatchable. Once the rivalry games get watered down and they will without a doubt, there will not be anything exciting about it.

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The problem is, it is sustainable to be this ridiculous since programs and conferences now are introducing private equity. And soon enough the Saudis could get involved. But I digress. Let’s get this convo back on Scott. We can continue this convee in the Transfer Portal thread

buckeyemania11 said:

If a position coach is leaving a NFL job to become a position coach in college it's highly likely he wasn't going to be asked to comeback to that position by the NFL team he was with

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Alex Whittingham enters his eighth season with Kansas City in 2025 and first as assistant defensive line coach. Prior to his promotion, Whittingham served two seasons as a defensive assistant (2024, 2018) and five seasons as a defensive quality control coach (2019-2023).

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Just sayin': He had been there 8 years and I doubt that he was going to be fired. He really wasn't a position coach; he was a "position coaches' assistant". See below, it does appear that he could possibility be getting a pay increase at scUM; regardless at scUM he'd be a "full fledged position coach"....


According to USA TODAY's database, Martindale led all Michigan assistants with a salary of $2.3 million in 2024, followed by first-year defensive line coach Lou Esposito at $1.286 million. Linebackers coach and defensive run game coordinator Brian Jean-Mary, who re-joined Michigan's staff after a brief stint with Tennessee, at $1.155 million and Campbell was fourth at $950,000. The $9.384 million number also includes any one-time payments such as retention payments or signing bonuses.
Here are the rest of the salaries for Michigan's 10 on-field assistants.

• Running backs coach and run game coordinator Tony Alford, $885,000.
• Defensive backs coach and defensive pass game coordinator LaMar Morgan, $858,000.
• Offensive pass game coordinator and wide receivers coach Ron Bellamy, $600,000.
• Offensive line coach Grant Newsome, $600,000.
• Tight ends coach Steve Casula, $400,000.
• Special teams coordinator J.B. Brown, $350,000.

Google AI: NFL assistant position coaches earn a wide range, from around $100K to $400, annually, with averages often cited near $400,000.

BB73 said:

I’m talking about the kickoff return with 6 seconds left that hit the pylon with 1 second left. That should have been the last play of the game, before the onside kick.

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oh yeah, forgot about that one. So much stupid stuff in that last few minutes.

Gizmo said:

The clock shouldn't have run on the "kick return" there was no kick return, Georgia jumped on the ball while Ole Miss stood around with their thumbs up their butts. As the announcers pointed out during and after the kick, all they had to do was bat it out of bounds, or literally anything to get the clock started. Letting Georgia get a free recovery was the only result that didn't end with the final second ticking off.

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I’m talking about the kickoff return with 6 seconds left that hit the pylon with 1 second left. That should have been the last play of the game, before the onside kick.

Darnold has Charbonnet for a walk in TD and looks away and takes a sack

Jaxbuck said:

Ok so the goal posts have been moved from tempo to timing of snap count and predictable play calling.

In other words you think it’s more likely that the difference between 24 results and 25 is Day as a play caller and not the QB, OL and RB personnel differences.

that actually makes sense to you?

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The 24 offense was extremely underwhelming until the playoffs too. It was maddening to watch a mostly veteran offense look stuck in neutral the majority of the year. This is just going to be one of those agree to disagree arguments. I can't stand the conservative approach, especially with the new clock rules. There's a human element to the game. Constantly playing this stagnant, stale brand of offense begins to harm more than help, especially in big games.

NJ-Buckeye said:

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The guy singing God Bless America was getting after it

If a position coach is leaving a NFL job to become a position coach in college it's highly likely he wasn't going to be asked to comeback to that position by the NFL team he was with

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