Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[MaxBuck]

Sorry, but I disagree with that. Cooperating with the ncaa is not about a cynical attempt at damage control and minimizing repercussions. It's about who Ohio State is as an institution and a university. It may not have helped us regarding penalties (then again neither did our ad with all his inside contacts), but it was the right thing to do.

Sorry, but I disagree with this.

If the NCAA were an organization that had demonstrated either consistency or primary consideration for student-athlete welfare, I would agree. But the NCAA is nothing more than a collection of pompous, self-righteous blowhards like Mark Emmert whose primary goal is self-perpetuation.

Fuck them. They deserve no cooperation in future given the penalty we've paid for cooperating in the past.

 

[TooTall]

Maybe there is a silver lining to all of this... We beat EVERY team by 85 next year, go undefeated, get the #1 recruiting class in 2013, and ALL of those D-line prospects are primed for a title run in 2013.

 

[BB73]

In retrospect, tOSU needed to be spinning this line more heavily:

"We've self-reported and cooperated - if we're hit with a bowl ban, what incentive will any other schools have to cooperate in the future?"

In order to counteract all of the negative media crap that helped the NCAA decide that they had to hit tOSU hard.

 

[BUCKDUBBS007]

Everybody needs to step back and relax a little. One year is hardly crippling. Next year was still going to be a bit of a rebuidling year any way you look at it. New coach, new system, many new starters...chances are, they were probably looking at a Gator Bowl-ish berth anyway. Use next year to perfect a new system, gain experience, then come out with an enormous chip on their shoulder in 2013. I don't think this is as bad as people are making it out to be, honestly...

Except the whole 9 scholarships over 3 years thing.... kinda makes it hard.

 

[CHU]

Paul Krebs.

I hope Kaplan gets a serious look.

I always liked Scott Woodward from University of Washington.

At the least, Woodward knows how to handle public relations, which was lacking from the outgoing administration.

 

[scarletmike]

Future self-reporting = ZERO

Wouldn't self-report a GD thing. It works for the SEC.

Yep, the NCAA might have sealed their fate in terms of schools working with them on compliance after this. Schools gain nothing by cooperating with the NCAA, and those not being cooperative seem to fare much better.

 

[CHU]

In retrospect, tOSU needed to be spinning this line more heavily:

"We've self-reported and cooperated - if we're hit with a bowl ban, what incentive will any other schools have to cooperate in the future?"

In order to counteract all of the negative media crap that helped the NCAA decide that they had to hit tOSU hard.

Gene Smith and Co. fail at PR (and have been throughout this entire process).

Not going to happen.

 

[NFBuck]

Except the whole 9 scholarships over 3 years thing.... kinda makes it hard.

Again not really. That averages out to three a year. It just means you have to be smarter with your offers. What that probably impacts the most are walhk-ons that used to get scholarships....and legacy and project type offers. It sucks, but it isn't a crippler by any means..

 

[BUCKDUBBS007]

Again not really. That averages out to three a year. It just means you have to be smarter with your offers. What that probably impacts the most are walhk-ons that used to get scholarships....and legacy type offers. It sucks, but it isn't a crippler by any means..

I guess I took it to mean 9 scholarships over 3 years as in 9 per year. The way you say it is not so bad at all. Touche.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

You mean the SEC that wins the [censored]ing BCS championship every year? That SEC?

Cooperate = harsher punishment
Not cooperate/stonewall = SEC championships

You make the choice.
and before you go all sanctimonious with me, remember all the $$$ involved.

No, I mean the SEC that (with a couple of exceptions) is the fucking joke of higher education in America.

And as for where the real dollars are, compare research, fundraising and endowment figures between the Big Ten and SEC. Football is a drop in the bucket. It pays for some non-revenue sports but very little beyond that.

I'd disband the football program before I let Ohio State turn into the majority of SEC schools.

 

[tsteele316]

Except the whole 9 scholarships over 3 years thing.... kinda makes it hard.

that's really not a big deal at all. that's 3 per year. osu will have natural attrition that will probably put them 4 or 5 under this year alone.

 

[Woody1968]

In retrospect, tOSU needed to be spinning this line more heavily:

"We've self-reported and cooperated - if we're hit with a bowl ban, what incentive will any other schools have to cooperate in the future?"

In order to counteract all of the negative media crap that helped the NCAA decide that they had to hit tOSU hard.

Which makes you wonder what the hell they were thinking, since that's how so many here were spinning it.

 

[BearBuck27]

You don't think the NCAA would've tacked another year on? Really?

They would not have.

 

[Bestbuck36]

If you advocate for Smith and Doug Archie's removal, please do it politely.

[email protected]

Hows this:

The Ohio State family has been hurting for a while now and following today's news the knife gets twisted even further. I hope that you will see this as an opportunity to confer with the board of trustees and make the appropriate decisions on the future of our AD and Director of Compliance. A Buckeye legend and mentor made a mistake and paid dearly for it, as has the entire football program and family. It is time to lay the blame for how it was handled, terribly, at the feet of those responsible. I am not remotely in the minority in my thoughts here, I have just chosen a more diplomatic and appropriate way of voicing my opinion on how we feel the future at Ohio State should look. We feel it should not involve those two. Please make the best decision for our beloved university and seek alternatives as soon as possible. Our honor defend.


OSU class of 2013

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Sorry, but I disagree with this.

If the NCAA were an organization that had demonstrated either consistency or primary consideration for student-athlete welfare, I would agree. But the NCAA is nothing more than a collection of pompous, self-righteous blowhards like Mark Emmert whose primary goal is self-perpetuation.

[censored] them. They deserve no cooperation in future given the penalty we've paid for cooperating in the past.

Look, I'm no fan of the ncaa. My point is that whether to attempt to run a clean program and self-report when things come up does not inherently lie in what kind of an organization I think the ncaa is but in what kind of an organization that I want Ohio State to be.

I'm pissed at the bowl ban (neither here nor there about the scholarships). I think we got jobbed, and I think the ncaa is full of shit. I'm just not willing to make the jump from there to saying fuck it, let's go SEC 'cause they win championships and get away with it.