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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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TP's soon-to-be-ex-attorney issued a complete denial regarding TP getting money from Talbott and/or depositing any checks from him in any bank account. The 'unidentified former friend' on ESPN alleged the payments from Talbott, and I believe the story of the supposed checks being deposited by TP came from the SportsbyBrooks website, which isn't always reliable, so at this point the truth is anybody's guess.

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One report alleged Pryor deposited several checks from Talbott while another alleged he received tens of thousands of dollars in cash from Talbott for autographing various memorabilia the past couple of years.

"I can tell you on the record that there were no checks from Dennis Talbott in any Terrelle Pryor bank account," James said. "And there was no money from Dennis Talbott to Terrelle Pryor."

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Please take any discussion of where TP's workouts should occur over to his thread, rather than here.
 
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buckeyebri;1938138; said:
We need a new Oline coach.....how much talent are we going to let go to wast....:nerd:
Ahhh the good ol' days of beating ourselves up over trivial stuff since we knew JT and company would take care of business against TSUN and likely turn in another 10 or 11 win season.

Hopefully we'll get back to those trivial pursuits in a year.
 
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ant80;1938090; said:
At this point, what would be the penalty imposed by the NCAA on us? Does the NCAA have enough for slapping us with Lack of Institutional Control? I'll appreciate hearing from knowledgeable posters on this. Thanks.

Opinions differ, since we're not sure what the NCAA has actually found.

Things that may work in tOSU's favor:

1) If JT is the only person in tOSU's athletic/compliance departments that knew of the violations, he's already been penalized by having to resign.

2) TP appears to have been the biggest offender in terms of improper benefits. He's lost his senior season - when the NCAA ruled on Reggie Bush, he hadn't yet lost anything (the Heisman forfeiture came after the NCAA's initial ruling of penalties)

3) tOSU self-reported the JT transgressions after a staffer found the emails. They have apparently attempted to work with the NCAA in the process, as opposed to the defiant and stonewalling stance taken by Mike Garrett's staff at USC.

4) tOSU has had the reputation of having a model compliance department, with a full staff (6, with a pending request to increase that to 8 - something that should occur before the hearings in my opinion). USC had a small compliance staff.

5) tOSU's Letter of Allegations didn't include Lack of Institutional Control, or even the lesser 'Failure to Monitor' citation, a couple of months ago. That was based on the December admissions and JT's rules violations, but additional charges in the past few weeks caused the NCAA to conduct a further investigation. They can choose to add either charge if they found evidence that warrants it.

6) tOSU has people working on the case that are quite familiar with how the NCAA does things - but any school facing serious penalties does the same thing, so that's not something to count on.

Things that can work against tOSU:

1) The new sheriff in town, NCAA President Mark Emmert, has indicated that he wants to make those who violate the rules pay a serious penalty. His reputation is on the line in this very high profile case.

2) There will be a public outcry if the sanctions are less than those of USC, since the media feeding frenzy has given most of the nation the impression that things have been way out of control at tOSU for quite a while, and that tOSU deserves to get hit at least as hard as USC did.

3) If the NCAA uncovered hard evidence, such as checks deposited into TP's bank account by a guy that had been given tickets to games a couple of years ago, it places them on firm ground and would justify them taking a solid whack at tOSU. Right now, we don't really know if such evidence has been uncovered.

4) The press conferences tried to spin the violations as kids needing money to help their families, and JT trying to protect confidentiality. Those versions now ring very hollow, but it's hard to say how much worse that makes things in the eyes of the NCAA.

5) The allegations raised by the media in the last couple of months, (car deals, many more guys getting tattoos, TP signing things for money) make the quick investigation done by tOSU in December appear to be a gloss-over, rather than a thorough attempt to find any and all problems.

6) The NCAA has the ability to invoke the 'repeat offender' clause, which could make things much worse, since the violations were within the 5 year period following the ruling in the Jim O'Brien case. But they also had the ability to use that against USC, and didn't choose to use it.

Here's a debate that compares tOSU's situation to USC's:

CFN
 
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BB73;1938156; said:
Opinions differ, since we're not sure what the NCAA has actually found.

Things that may work in tOSU's favor:

1) If JT is the only person in tOSU's athletic/compliance departments that knew of the violations, he's already been penalized by having to resign.

2) TP appears to have been the biggest offender in terms of improper benefits. He's lost his senior season - when the NCAA ruled on Reggie Bush, he hadn't yet lost anything (the Heisman forfeiture came after the NCAA's initial ruling of penalties)

3) tOSU self-reported the JT transgressions after a staffer found the emails. They have apparently attempted to work with the NCAA in the process, as opposed to the defiant and stonewalling stance taken by Mike Garrett's staff at USC.

4) tOSU has had the reputation of having a model compliance department, with a full staff (6, with a pending request to increase that to 8 - something that should occur before the hearings in my opinion). USC had a small compliance staff.

5) tOSU's Letter of Allegations didn't include Lack of Institutional Control, or even the lesser 'Failure to Monitor' citation, a couple of months ago. That was based on the December admissions and JT's rules violations, but additional charges in the past few weeks caused the NCAA to conduct a further investigation. They can choose to add either charge if they found evidence that warrants it.

6) tOSU has people working on the case that are quite familiar with how the NCAA does things - but any school facing serious penalties does the same thing, so that's not something to count on.

Things that can work against tOSU:

1) The new sheriff in town, NCAA President Mark Emmert, has indicated that he wants to make those who violate the rules pay a serious penalty. His reputation is on the line in this very high profile case.

2) There will be a public outcry if the sanctions are less than those of USC, since the media feeding frenzy has given most of the nation the impression that things have been way out of control at tOSU for quite a while, and that tOSU deserves to get hit at least as hard as USC did.

3) If the NCAA uncovered hard evidence, such as checks deposited into TP's bank account by a guy that had been given tickets to games a couple of years ago, it places them on firm ground and would justify them taking a solid whack at tOSU. Right now, we don't really know if such evidence has been uncovered.

4) The press conferences tried to spin the violations as kids needing money to help their families, and JT trying to protect confidentiality. Those versions now ring very hollow, but it's hard to say how much worse that makes things in the eyes of the NCAA.

5) The allegations raised by the media in the last couple of months, (car deals, many more guys getting tattoos, TP signing things for money) make the quick investigation done by tOSU in December appear to be a gloss-over, rather than a thorough attempt to find any and all problems.

6) The NCAA has the ability to invoke the 'repeat offender' clause, which could make things much worse, since the violations were within the 5 year period following the ruling in the Jim O'Brien case. But they also had the ability to use that against USC, and didn't choose to use it.

Here's a debate that compares tOSU's situation to USC's:

CFN


I feel like our biggest threat right now is any proof Gene Smith tried to make this go away...or if someone on staff introduced players to the camera man....this is my fear
 
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BB73;1938156; said:
Opinions differ, since we're not sure what the NCAA has actually found.

Things that may work in tOSU's favor:

3) tOSU self-reported the JT transgressions after a staffer found the emails. They have apparently attempted to work with the NCAA in the process, as opposed to the defiant and stonewalling stance taken by Mike Garrett's staff at USC.


Things that can work against tOSU:


2) There will be a public outcry if the sanctions are less than those of USC, since the media feeding frenzy has given most of the nation the impression that things have been way out of control at tOSU for quite a while, and that tOSU deserves to get hit at least as hard as USC did.

These are interesting points, especially when considered together. The media (particularly that of our rivals) seems to believe that we've stonewalled more than USC has (which I think is ridiculous, FWIW). Can the NCAA resist the urge to satisfy the bloodthirsty (yet misguided) masses?
 
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buckeyesin07;1938172; said:
These are interesting points, especially when considered together. The media (particularly that of our rivals) seems to believe that we've stonewalled more than USC has (which I think is ridiculous, FWIW). Can the NCAA resist the urge to satisfy the bloodthirsty (yet misguided) masses?

They did in 2004.
 
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Could this have been how the interviews between OSU officials and the NCAA went down?????

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BB73;1938156; said:
Opinions differ, since we're not sure what the NCAA has actually found.

Things that may work in tOSU's favor:

1) If JT is the only person in tOSU's athletic/compliance departments that knew of the violations, he's already been penalized by having to resign.

2) TP appears to have been the biggest offender in terms of improper benefits. He's lost his senior season - when the NCAA ruled on Reggie Bush, he hadn't yet lost anything (the Heisman forfeiture came after the NCAA's initial ruling of penalties)

3) tOSU self-reported the JT transgressions after a staffer found the emails. They have apparently attempted to work with the NCAA in the process, as opposed to the defiant and stonewalling stance taken by Mike Garrett's staff at USC.

4) tOSU has had the reputation of having a model compliance department, with a full staff (6, with a pending request to increase that to 8 - something that should occur before the hearings in my opinion). USC had a small compliance staff.

5) tOSU's Letter of Allegations didn't include Lack of Institutional Control, or even the lesser 'Failure to Monitor' citation, a couple of months ago. That was based on the December admissions and JT's rules violations, but additional charges in the past few weeks caused the NCAA to conduct a further investigation. They can choose to add either charge if they found evidence that warrants it.

6) tOSU has people working on the case that are quite familiar with how the NCAA does things - but any school facing serious penalties does the same thing, so that's not something to count on.

Things that can work against tOSU:

1) The new sheriff in town, NCAA President Mark Emmert, has indicated that he wants to make those who violate the rules pay a serious penalty. His reputation is on the line in this very high profile case.

2) There will be a public outcry if the sanctions are less than those of USC, since the media feeding frenzy has given most of the nation the impression that things have been way out of control at tOSU for quite a while, and that tOSU deserves to get hit at least as hard as USC did.

3) If the NCAA uncovered hard evidence, such as checks deposited into TP's bank account by a guy that had been given tickets to games a couple of years ago, it places them on firm ground and would justify them taking a solid whack at tOSU. Right now, we don't really know if such evidence has been uncovered.

4) The press conferences tried to spin the violations as kids needing money to help their families, and JT trying to protect confidentiality. Those versions now ring very hollow, but it's hard to say how much worse that makes things in the eyes of the NCAA.

5) The allegations raised by the media in the last couple of months, (car deals, many more guys getting tattoos, TP signing things for money) make the quick investigation done by tOSU in December appear to be a gloss-over, rather than a thorough attempt to find any and all problems.

6) The NCAA has the ability to invoke the 'repeat offender' clause, which could make things much worse, since the violations were within the 5 year period following the ruling in the Jim O'Brien case. But they also had the ability to use that against USC, and didn't choose to use it.

Here's a debate that compares tOSU's situation to USC's:

CFN

Great job as always BB73. I would just add that the NCAA has some egg on its face over the handling of The Sugar Bowl and Cam Newton. There may be some added pressure to look though.
 
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How much does the fact that Ohio State brings in alot of money for the NCAA play into this? The largest fanbase in the country, high television ratings, and just the name alone draws in other businesses. What percentage do you think OSU brings in for the NCAA? 25% including how it pushes the Big Ten? 30%?

If they want that money to continue, wouldn't they need us to be relevant going forward? I am expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
 
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NateG;1938182; said:
How much does the fact that Ohio State brings in alot of money for the NCAA play into this? The largest fanbase in the country, high television ratings, and just the name alone draws in other businesses. What percentage do you think OSU brings in for the NCAA? 25% including how it pushes the Big Ten? 30%?

If they want that money to continue, wouldn't they need us to be relevant going forward? I am expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

Ask USC, they brought in a ton of cash also.

The fact OSU has been working with the NCAA and not against like USC is a huge plus. I still think the NCAA is not going to come down as hard as some think. OSU is handling the issue, USC did not and their coach got the hell out of dodge.
 
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