Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Tlangs]

redundant much?

in my imho i don't think so.

 

[MaxBuck]

We're getting what we deserve. The agenda that I have a problem with lies with those in the football program and athletic department who thought they could break the rules and/or cover up knowledge of that rule breaking. Don't want to do the time? Don't do the [censored]ing crime.

Well, I suppose I've read a paragraph on this site with which I've disagreed more strongly. Maybe. I'll need to think about it a while longer, though.

 

[buck1973]

Things that can work against tOSU:

1) The new sheriff in town, NCAA President Mark Emmert, has indicated that he wants to make those who violate the rules pay a serious penalty. His reputation is on the line in this very high profile case.

That is certainly how ESPN portrayed his remarks. I posted this a while back in another thread:

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/1921359-post816.html

Reporters from other organizations portrayed his remarks differently.

ESPN- "Mark Emmert wants to start hitting NCAA rule-breakers hard."

Chronicle of Higher Education- "And he said he was open to discussing a strengthening of penalties, though any changes in that area would have to go through the NCAA's legislative channels first."

 

[gregorylee]

in my imho i don't think so.

I seem to remember IIRC quite differently

 

[buck1973]

Ask USC, they brought in a ton of cash also.

The fact OSU has been working with the NCAA and not against like USC is a huge plus. I still think the NCAA is not going to come down as hard as some think. OSU is handling the issue, USC did not and their coach got the hell out of dodge.

In comparing OSU to USC, most fail to mention that the USC punishment was not only do to the Reggie Bush situation. They were also cited for their basketball coach paying OJ Mayo's handler to secure his recruitment and a tennis player making $7,000 worth of international phone calls on a university credit card.

 

[Tlangs]

In comparing OSU to USC, most fail to mention that the USC punishment was not only do to the Reggie Bush situation. They were also cited for their basketball coach paying OJ Mayo's handler to secure his recruitment and a tennis player making $7,000 worth of international phone calls on a university credit card.

and Petey let Snoop dog smoke weed with his players....at least that is what Joe Schad said.

 

[Divided42]

As far as hard evidence goes the fact that a large amount of Ohio State gear went missing and nothing was done about it is pretty bad. College football teams take inventory period and they take it pretty seriously. I mean what was asked when Terrelle went to the Equipment Director Ron Lachey and said he needed another jersey or shoulder pads etc. Uh sorry Ron I lost my jersey again, yeah thats not going to fly especially when he comes back a week later and does it again. If a compliance department and/or internal audit doesn't uncover stuff like that then they have a big problem. It might be an even bigger problem if there is a record of them having uncovered it and nothing was done.

 

[buxfan4life]

and Petey let Snoop dog smoke weed with his players....at least that is what Joe Schad said.

Wait, I thought Joe Schad said he smoked Snoop's, Petey's, and players' bones?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Well, I suppose I've read a paragraph on this site with which I've disagreed more strongly. Maybe. I'll need to think about it a while longer, though.

Poor, poor Terrelle Pryor who appears to have been on the make since he stepped foot on campus.

Poor, poor Jim Tressell who learned of major ncaa violations and withheld the information from his superiors (though relating it to Pryor's "life coach" back home) and twice lied about that knowledge to the ncaa and the university.

Poor, poor Gene Smith who's only missing a red nose and floppy shoes. From his "unequivocal support for Jim Tressel" to his keystone cops compliance department to what may prove to be outright corruption and a blatant cover up in the case of Talbott.

The only thing I feel sorry for is my alma mater and what these people have done to it. They're getting what they deserve, and sadly Ohio State will get what it deserves for having associated itself with them, put its trust in them and counted on them to do the right thing.

 

[germ]

In comparing OSU to USC, most fail to mention that the USC punishment was not only do to the Reggie Bush situation. They were also cited for their basketball coach paying OJ Mayo's handler to secure his recruitment and a tennis player making $7,000 worth of international phone calls on a university credit card.

exactly which is why I see OSU getting less punishment.

I bet lost of few scholies and no post season ban and 5 years probation

 

[jlb1705]

How much does the fact that Ohio State brings in alot of money for the NCAA play into this? The largest fanbase in the country, high television ratings, and just the name alone draws in other businesses. What percentage do you think OSU brings in for the NCAA? 25% including how it pushes the Big Ten? 30%?

If they want that money to continue, wouldn't they need us to be relevant going forward? I am expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

LOL

Do you really think Ohio State drives 30% of the NCAA's revenue? There are nearly 1300 member institutions, and you think just one of them is driving nearly a third of the revenue?

In 2009-10, 86% of the revenue generated by the NCAA as an organization came directly from media agreements. In college football, media agreements are made at the conference level, so the NCAA does not see a cent of college football's TV money.

In 2009-10, the remaining 14% of the NCAA's revenue was generated mostly through ticket sales at championship events. FBS of course does not fall under the umbrella of NCAA Championships, so once again, they do not see a cent of the major football money.

Those estimates are listed here: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Answers/Nine+points+to+consider_one

Wanna know what drives revenue for the NCAA?

 

[bassbuckeye07]

In comparing OSU to USC, most fail to mention that the USC punishment was not only do to the Reggie Bush situation. They were also cited for their basketball coach paying OJ Mayo's handler to secure his recruitment and a tennis player making $7,000 worth of international phone calls on a university credit card.

This part makes me laugh because I picture a dude with a head band and racket on a pay phone speaking in russian....and that image is always funny

 

[Jaxbuck]

This part makes me laugh because I picture a dude with a head band and racket on a pay phone speaking in russian....and that image is always funny

and see my mind goes straight to Anna Kornikova wearing just a head band and calling me to talk about it so.........

 

[OSUK]

Well, if the media is "hitting" paydirt, then the MarkMays would be on the Ohio State side of the equation, not the media's. What are they supposed to do? Ignore the story, so our football program can go merrily along?

Not what I was saying at all. I'm not against finding out what has gone on. I want to get it all out there and deal with it. But there are people camped out in Columbus (the S*its/MarkMays) who are starting with the "culture of corruption" premise, and then reporting any allegations of virtually any source or credibility, to reinforce the premise. They are doing their jobs bassackwards. The facts are supposed to be used to develop a conclusion, not support a premise. That's the problem I have.

The press is doing what the press does - what I knew they would do from the moment this mess became known. They love stuff like this. Careers are made and money is made. They make what they want the perception to be to become reality. This story has the powerful people/institution element along with the angle of hypocrisy and perceived corruption. They can make you through perception, and they can destroy you. Problem is that they don't care if they hurt innocent people. They are a sick, sick bunch.

We won't know the accurate and complete story until some time goes by and the real journalists show up - maybe a decade from now.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Not what I was saying at all. I'm not against finding out what has gone on. I want to get it all out there and deal with it. But there are people camped out in Columbus (the S*its/MarkMays) who are starting with the "culture of corruption" premise, and then reporting any allegations of virutally any source or credibility, to reinforce the premise. They are doing their jobs bassackwards. The facts are supposed to be used to develop a conclusion, not support a premise. That's the problem I have.

The press is doing what the press does - what I knew they would do from the moment this mess became known. They love stuff like this. Careers are made and money is made. They make what they want the perception to be to become reality. This story has the powerful people/institution element along with the angle of hypocrisy and perceived corruption. They can make you through perception, and they can destroy you. Problem is that they don't care if they hurt innocent people. They are a sick, sick bunch.

We won't know the accurate and complete story until some time goes by and the real journalists show up - maybe a decade from now.

I understand your argument, and I did concede that in any national, investigative story like this, there will be varying degrees of talent and integrity and agendas on display. It's just that they've been right far more often than they've been wrong despite the concerted efforts of many here to take each individual incident of error or overreach and extrapolate that into a wholesale vindication of Pryor/Tressel/the program.

I'm guessing within the year that the Plain Dealer will probably have a pretty good summation of a lot of what went on behind the scenes in terms of JT, the athletic department and the behind the scenes wheels that turned in the month prior to Memorial Day and forced JT out.