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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Wells4Heisman;1931582; said:
Can't say I expected any of this on that cold winter morning right before Christmas when I woke up and read a text message from ESPN....

It honestly is tragic. Buckeye nation unite. :oh:
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Text message from ESPN, huh? Next time you want someone to leave shit on your phone just drop it on the floor at the greyhound station.

And MaxBuck was correct, this isn't even close to a tragedy. It's what happens when someone shines the light into the dark corner, the rats are sitting there, staring at you with some cheese (or a 350Z) in their paws.

This just confirmed what we've suspected all along, that every year the Browns and Bengals are in a race to be the 2nd best professional football team in Ohio.

Look on the bright side...Michigan still sucks.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6610547

DeNunzio and I were sitting in his restaurant as he detailed this scene -- I was in Jeannette reporting a story on Pryor for ESPN The Magazine -- and he must have sensed my astonishment. He had already told me stories of picking up Pryor and his friends to drive them to and from the mall. (Waiting in the car while they shopped, even.) But the successful businessman-turned-PR paperboy story took the story of a grandfatherly mentor to a different, disturbing level. And then, without being asked, DeNunzio told me not to get the wrong impression. "I'm not Terrelle's agent," he said, even though nothing of the sort had been remotely suggested.
How does anybody -- the NCAA, Ohio State, even Pryor himself -- control stuff like this? Forget control; how does anybody even monitor stuff like this? There's an old man sitting in his Cadillac outside the mall while a bunch of 18-year-olds hang out. He'll sit there until they're done, and then he'll drive them home. If you're a kid without a ride or someone to provide it, it's worth hanging out with the old man to get what you want.
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DaBears;1931649; said:
I'm only really sure of one thing in this whole debacle: Ohio State is [Mark May] at cheating and covering stuff up (you would think that if this was an institutional level problem, they would have gotten better at it).

I also have a hard time believing that these type of violations are not worse in the SEC. I'm not saying 10 times or even 5 times worse, but they are likely just better at skirting the rules.

Lastly, I can't wait for all of this to be over. Everything out there, sanctions in, case closed, clean house, and move on.
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We can't offer you cash, but we can give you a car or six. Good point, the SEC is much dirtier. :bonk:
 
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http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/2011/5/31/2199849/ray-isaac-says-dohrmann-liedhttp://deadspin.com/5807082/jim-tressels-former-qb-says-the-allegations-are-a-big-lie

Ray Isaac says Dohrmann lied

"The article is a big lie. I think that I've only done two interviews since 1991, since all the allegations came out. ? I did both of those interviews in 2003 and I was displeased with how those articles came out. So I have not done another interview since then. I'm very displeased with the article. The article is chewed up. If you look at the paragraph that goes into what I was allegedly to have said, it is poorly written. It doesn't give any facts or clarity."
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Pheasant;1931653; said:
:smash:

We can't offer you cash, but we can give you a car or six. Good point, the SEC is much dirtier. :bonk:
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I'm not at all justifying what happened at OSU. The cars, tattoos, memorabilia etc. All terrible, all major violations, heads deserve to roll, OSU deserves whatever punishment it gets. My point would be that given how hyper competitive recruiting is, particularly in the South where college football is the only sport, it doesn't make logical sense that OSU is the only program where this type of stuff goes on. If I'm a five star recruit, the extra benefits I can get at School X vs. School Y are a big deal. When you have a mega prospect in the South being recruited by every major SEC school, the school that wins the recruiting battle has to do something that sets it apart and I have a feeling that that something isn't cool with the NCAA.

Maybe I'm naive, maybe OSU is the worst. I just can't see car dealers, boosters, tattoo parlor owners, convicted felons in Auburn or Baton Rouge acting any differently than the ones in Columbus.
 
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DaBears;1931658; said:
I'm not at all justifying what happened at OSU. The cars, tattoos, memorabilia etc. All terrible, all major violations, heads deserve to roll, OSU deserves whatever punishment it gets. My point would be that given how hyper competitive recruiting is, particularly in the South where college football is the only sport, it doesn't make logical sense that OSU is the only program where this type of stuff goes on. If I'm a five star recruit, the extra benefits I can get at School X vs. School Y are a big deal. When you have a mega prospect in the South being recruited by every major SEC school, the school that wins the recruiting battle has to do something that sets it apart and I have a feeling that that something isn't cool with the NCAA.

Maybe I'm naive, maybe OSU is the worst. I just can't see car dealers, boosters, tattoo parlor owners, convicted felons in Auburn or Baton Rouge acting any differently than the ones in Columbus.
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I didn't mean to suggest tOSU is worse, just similar, and you pretty much just made my point. You can't see that car dealers, boosters, tattoo parlor owners, convicted felons in Auburn or Baton Rouge act differently than the ones in Columbus...so why are southern schools dirtier?

The "football is the only sport in the south" argument is also weak. Football is king up here, too, and it's king by a long way.

The bottom line is that making "the SEC is worse than us" part of your post is [censored]ing stupid. Would it have been a sound strategy for Auburn fans to point north to Ohio State and suggest that since Columbus, OH is about 25 times the size of Auburn, AL there must be cash payments being made to players in the millions? Would you have thought that post was from a dip[Mark May]? I would have.

You can't blame this one on your sister, the sun wasn't in your eyes and cranking one off before you left for your date wouldn't have turned 5 minutes into 50.

Shit happened. tOSU got caught. The SEC arguments are lame. It gives the impression of a whiny, clownish fan. We all know the SEC is dirty. Just like the Big 12, Pac 10 and every other conference. It just doesn't play well to point that out through the shards of our freshly shattered walls.
 
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Can we all agree on one thing?

The difference between discussing these things when they happen to us versus when they happen to them is not that we choose to deny the fact that these things are reality, but that we choose to more succinctly inspect/dissect/reanalyze them in order to convince ourselves that they indeed must be true.

I hear a lot about hypocrisy, but what are we really talking about in regard to that? Are we talking about saying that the infractions, poor decisions and shady activity is okay because everyone is doing it? If that's the case, then I whole-heartedly agree, that's unacceptable. HOWEVER, if we're saying that it's hypocritical to hold a more skeptical, self-defensive stance when it comes to "us" than we do when it comes to "them" then I think that that's a much less heinous social crime.

We discuss a lot of things on this board, often times within very point to point logical arguments. I honestly don't believe that it's a conversational sin to hold a bit of a bias toward the reason the majority of us are even on these boards, The Ohio State University. The Buckeyes. Not to get overly preachy, but damn! Can't we all agree that what's going on fucking sucks and no matter how much we differ in our overall view on the situation that central theme is pretty non-negotiable?

Don't think less of me if I wan't to try and damper the psychological blow this whole ordeal is taking and is going to take over the next few years... and with all due respect, keep your desire to be "correct" away from the rest of our desires to be "okay". It's not about dismissal, or denial. It's very reasonable to be apologetic while still being rational. It's about one and one thing only:

Being. A. Fucking. Buckeye.

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osugrad21;1931511; said:
Here is the thing folks...and Clarity will cringe when he reads this.

Get out of your dang fairytale.

This is big business. Period. Ask yourself if you really want to know the truth or would you rather continue your happy saturdays rooting for your favorite college players. I will not confine this to your favorite Buckeyes...I am saying your favorite players across that 11am-2am EST solid block of college football.

It is the best show in the land.

Do you really want to know? Do you care as long as the intensity and weekly drama plays out?

College football has not changed in 60 years...the microscope has changed though.

The question is, do you care?
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La la la can't hear you. La la la can't hear you.

But seriously, shut up, dick!
 
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SloopyHangOn;1931672; said:
Can we all agree on one thing?

The difference between discussing these things when they happen to us versus when they happen to them is not that we choose to deny the fact that these things are reality, but that we choose to more succinctly inspect/dissect/reanalyze them in order to convince ourselves that they indeed must be true.

I hear a lot about hypocrisy, but what are we really talking about in regard to that? Are we talking about saying that the infractions, poor decisions and shady activity is okay because everyone is doing it? If that's the case, then I whole-heartedly agree, that's unacceptable. HOWEVER, if we're saying that it's hypocritical to hold a more skeptical, self-defensive stance when it comes to "us" than we do when it comes to "them" then I think that that's a much less heinous social crime.

We discuss a lot of things on this board, often times within very point to point logical arguments. I honestly don't believe that it's a conversational sin to hold a bit of a bias toward the reason the majority of us are even on these boards, The Ohio State University. The Buckeyes. Not to get overly preachy, but damn! Can't we all agree that what's going on fucking sucks and no matter how much we differ in our overall view on the situation that central theme is pretty non-negotiable?

Don't think less of me if I wan't to try and damper the psychological blow this whole ordeal is taking and is going to take over the next few years... and with all due respect, keep your desire to be "correct" away from the rest of our desires to be "okay". It's not about dismissal, or denial. It's very reasonable to be apologetic while still being rational. It's about one and one thing only:

Being. A. Fucking. Buckeye.

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:io:

Fuckin' A
 
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I'm just going to file away my copy of George Dohrmann's S/I article:

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While I think there is some substance in Dohrman's article I am still not impresed with it over all. I know its hard for me to be objective and I believe we have bad apples that come into the program now and again and these bad apples found what they thought was a cool place to hang and had exposed other players to it..................this all still comes back to 10.1 being violated. I think his depiction of Tress as one of the "great myths of college football" is sensationalist bull shit. They wanted a story so bad and they put together a bunch of hear say with truth and created a "scathing piece".

Two things that didnt bother me in the least when I read the article that Dohrman has brought up continously on his pimp tour....Tress rigged a raffle (i lol'd). and [sarcasm] I can not fucking believe some college kids smoked weed and listened to music at a tattoo shop [sarcasm]

Im not minimizing being around crime or commiting it (or if any cover up was involved which I highly doubt) but 4 players smoked weed? open up the book of thugs how could this happen???? give me a fucking break. Dohrmans words on the fan yesterday "I had to use drug dealers and criminals as sourses cause thats where Buckeyes go".....broad brush stroke this fucking guy wants to paint you a picture of criminal eliment with in the program so bad......conclusion..Tress violated 10.1 and is gone now
 
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