• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

Status
Not open for further replies.
muffler dragon;1931470; said:
And if Thor's hammer comes down on tOSU Buckeyes athletics, then I say to hell with self-reporting. I know you're not going this direction, so I apologize for the tangent. But... if the NCAA decides to make an example out of tOSU, then I pray to all that is mighty that no one ever self-reports again.
Muff ole buddy, the issue encompasses more than one concept. One, is whether self reporting is wise. Second, is whether self reporting should immunize one from all or most of the consequences of the actual violation. Third, should self reporting mitigate the penalty of the violation, even if the violation should be subject to a significant penalty.

As to the first issue, is it (self reporting) a wise policy? I'd say "yes". For one reason, it is the right thing to do. If you value honesty and following the rule of law, then self reporting is a good thing. Also, if self reporting can get the penalty lowered, it is a good thing. Even if you could not get a benefit, we tell our kids that doing the right thing is a virtue in and of itself.

As to the second issue, the mere fact of self reporting should not immunize one from actual consequences just because you admit it. Take the hyperbole example: the BTK killer in Wichita self reports. Do we forgive him the torture and murder? Nah. At some level, the deed is so out of the norm with what is expected behavior that we cannot let it slide - even if confessed.

As to the third issue, yes, yes one can expect some mitigated penalty for coming forward. And, depending on the severity of the action, we give some dap to the person who comes forward and confesses, "pleads" as it were. Even if it is a horrible crime, you might get life instead of the electric chair. You may get 5 years instead of 20. If the harm is egregious, one cannot expect to be set free without consequences for one's bad acts....but one can expect some lessened punishment.

Here, the self report is a "hold your head high" moment for tOSU. Despite the iconic Coach, y'all did the right thing and turned him in. You will benefit from self report. You have to separate the institution's well being and responsibility from that of the coaching staff. The "harm" done to Tress is not the same thing as the harm it did tOSU. Self reporting the e-mails is why you will get some latitude in the future. The separate entity ( tOSU ) did not put itself in jeopardy by Tressel's actions. Tressel put tOSU in grave danger by his actions. tOSU self reporting shows that you are not a rogue program. It shows that you are not complicit with the wrong doing by the staff. It shows you do not need a LOIC charge, nor do you need a repeat offender or death penalty type penalty.

The reason that is so is the self reporting. Had you not self reported, and the NCAA found out some other way, God help you all.
 
Upvote 0
Well said, '21. Well said.

As long as you aren't endangering kids, can we please relax a bit? Georgia fans are robbed for 1/3 of AJ Greens season, because he sold a damned jersey?

If it isn't criminal, who really gives a shit? Fuck the NCAA and their bullshit.
 
Upvote 0
Every press conference since this happened the Administration assured us that every thing was disclosed and above board and practically begged the vultures to find out any dirt on tOSU athletic program and now that stance has come to this..
 
Upvote 0
3074326;1931532; said:
A lot of people gave a [Mark May] before this happened to OSU. I remember lots of making fun of Michigan for their relatively minor violations, Auburn obviously, Alabama, USC, etc.

I'm just saying.

We made fun of Michigan because of the competetive advantage they were creating which barely allowed them to win.

I don't think anyone was making fun of Auburn. More complaining that they were getting away with murder. That and it kept seeming that Cam Newton kept getting deeper and deeper in trouble (like another #2 is seeming to be right now)
 
Upvote 0
Here is the thing folks...and Clarity will cringe when he reads this.

Get out of your dang fairytale.

This is big business. Period. Ask yourself if you really want to know the truth or would you rather continue your happy saturdays rooting for your favorite college players. I will not confine this to your favorite Buckeyes...I am saying your favorite players across that 11am-2am EST solid block of college football.

It is the best show in the land.

Do you really want to know? Do you care as long as the intensity and weekly drama plays out?

College football has not changed in 60 years...the microscope has changed though.

The question is, do you care?
I think I would like to know that it is the football version of the WWE. In the case that it is I would like to go on with my life. And I guess I will.
 
Upvote 0
Coqui;1931537; said:
We made fun of Michigan because of the competetive advantage they were creating which barely allowed them to win.

I don't think anyone was making fun of Auburn. More complaining that they were getting away with murder. That and it kept seeming that Cam Newton kept getting deeper and deeper in trouble (like another #2 is seeming to be right now)

"Making fun of" probably wasn't the right phrase. But you get what I'm saying. We dished out lots of criticism. When it came to us, we aren't willing to accept it as a whole. It's everyone else's fault, or ok because others are doing it.

I'm not a fan of that, but I understand why others are.
 
Upvote 0
College football and "cheating" have been bedmates since day 1, for better or worse.
Personally, as long as schools are not buying recruits and paying (or setting up to be paid) players then I really don't care that much. "Improper benefits" happen at every school at every level, its always been that way and always will.
 
Upvote 0
osugrad21;1931511; said:
Here is the thing folks...and Clarity will cringe when he reads this.

Get out of your dang fairytale.

This is big business. Period. Ask yourself if you really want to know the truth or would you rather continue your happy saturdays rooting for your favorite college players. I will not confine this to your favorite Buckeyes...I am saying your favorite players across that 11am-2am EST solid block of college football.

It is the best show in the land.

Do you really want to know? Do you care as long as the intensity and weekly drama plays out?

College football has not changed in 60 years...the microscope has changed though.

The question is, do you care?

People don't care up until the moment that the guy across the field is perceived to have an advantage over the guys on this side of the field.

Which is the entire reason for the NCAA - to keep things fair for everyone.

I won't argue that there aren't a lot of stupid rules, but those rules are put in place by coaches and administrators because some coach, some where, some time, used it to get a leg up on the other guy.

So yeah, I care. I care that we at least try and maintain some semblance of fairness.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top