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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Jake;1931451; said:
Sitting on the April 2010 emails until after the 2010 season then trying the "I didn't know what to do, so I did nothing" defense after the emails have been found is not self reporting.
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There is a duty to self report at every station along the compliance chain. Jim Tressel's failure to self-report is distinct from the institution's. It's the reason Jim Tressel is gone, and it's the reason to hope that the overall punishment for those who remain is mitigated slightly.

As far as we know, the athletic department self-reported everything they knew about student-athlete violations upon discovery. They also self-reported Jim Tressel's failure to comply with his duty to self-report once it was discovered.
 
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jlb1705;1931468; said:
There is a duty to self report at every station along the compliance chain. Jim Tressel's failure to self-report is distinct from the institution's. It's the reason Jim Tressel is gone, and it's the reason to hope that the overall punishment for those who remain is mitigated slightly.

As far as we know, the athletic department self-reported everything they knew about student-athlete violations upon discovery. They also self-reported Jim Tressel's failure to comply with his duty to self-report once it was discovered.
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And if Thor's hammer comes down on tOSU Buckeyes athletics, then I say to hell with self-reporting. I know you're not going this direction, so I apologize for the tangent. But... if the NCAA decides to make an example out of tOSU, then I pray to all that is mighty that no one ever self-reports again.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1931464; said:
then many outside of BP don't know how to delete emails.
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Plenty outside of BP, and no doubt some on it, know how to find deleted emails on a hard drive. They only appear to disappear.
 
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jlb1705;1931468; said:
There is a duty to self report at every station along the compliance chain. Jim Tressel's failure to self-report is distinct from the institution's. It's the reason Jim Tressel is gone, and it's the reason to hope that the overall punishment for those who remain is mitigated slightly.
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Exactly.
 
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muffler dragon;1931470; said:
And if Thor's hammer comes down on tOSU Buckeyes athletics, then I say to hell with self-reporting. I know you're not going this direction, so I apologize for the tangent. But... if the NCAA decides to make an example out of tOSU, then I pray to all that is mighty that no one ever self-reports again.
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I'm happy to go further along this tangent. I interned in a D-I compliance office. I did it just long enough to realize that I'd never want to do it for a career.

You're right, there is zero incentive to self-report. Here's the way the system works right now: Coaches are of course supposed to not do things that they know are wrong, and discourage the same among their student-athletes. If a coach is unsure whether something is a violation of the rules, they are supposed to ask about the situation and get an interpretation of the rules from a compliance officer. The thing is, the answer to a coach's question is pretty much always "no", and asking the question usually triggers the compliance officer's duty to self-report.

Coaches : Michael Scott :: Compliance Officers : Toby Flenderson.

They nominally work for the same team, but coaches especially don't view it that way. Compliance officers are an enemy, an impediment to recruiting, winning, and the coach's next contract. Coaches have every incentive to lie, cover-up and feign ignorance. Or rather, every course of action that does not include those things leads to punishment that can destroy a game, a season, a program and/or a career. It is a deeply flawed system.

Compliance officers on the other hand, have pretty much zero incentive to cover-up or fail to self-report unless they get direct orders from somebody above their pay grade. They are essentially grunts. I've seen it with my own eyes - granted, on a much smaller scale.

I don't believe for a second the idea that Jim Tressel fell on a sword and that compliance is the real evil in this case. People just seem to have trouble with the idea that Tressel could be guilty of something like this. I'll admit, it seems odd to me too. As Buckeye fans we can't seem to comprehend an answer to a question such as, "Why would Jim Tressel do this?" Ask the same question again, and replace "Jim Tressel" with "a college football coach". The answer - because it was expedient - becomes much easier to arrive at.
 
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jlb1705;1931494; said:
They nominally work for the same team, but coaches especially don't view it that way. Compliance officers are an enemy, an impediment to recruiting, winning, and the coach's next contract. Coaches have every incentive to lie, cover-up and feign ignorance. It is a deeply flawed system.
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Spot on! Also why feign ignorance if you can be truly, but willfully, ignorant? There should be severe repercussions for playing the 'I don't/didn't know' card in certain cases (such as ours right now). The current system rewards coaches for subscribing to the 'Ignorance is Bliss' mantra
 
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Here is the thing folks...and Clarity will cringe when he reads this.

Get out of your dang fairytale.

This is big business. Period. Ask yourself if you really want to know the truth or would you rather continue your happy saturdays rooting for your favorite college players. I will not confine this to your favorite Buckeyes...I am saying your favorite players across that 11am-2am EST solid block of college football.

It is the best show in the land.

Do you really want to know? Do you care as long as the intensity and weekly drama plays out?

College football has not changed in 60 years...the microscope has changed though.

The question is, do you care?
 
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osugrad21;1931511; said:
Here is the thing folks...and Clarity will cringe when he reads this.

Get out of your dang fairytale.

This is big business. Period. Ask yourself if you really want to know the truth or would you rather continue your happy saturdays rooting for your favorite college players. I will not confine this to your favorite Buckeyes...I am saying your favorite players across that 11am-2am EST solid block of college football.

It is the best show in the land.

Do you really want to know? Do you care as long as the intensity and weekly drama plays out?

College football has not changed in 60 years...the microscope has changed though.

The question is, do you care?
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I love the game and all the gameday experience but I don't have my head in the sand..Div 1 football is business ,,not all that much different than the mortgage mess' thats why I believed in JT as a football coach but never assumed he was something more..
 
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