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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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BUCKYLE;1918928; said:
The craziest part, to me, is that iirc, the NCAA went elbow deep up tOSU's ass trying to find a fuckin' shred of anything when the whole MoC saga took place, and didn't find a damn thing. What is so confusing to me, is that either this stuff is completely recent, or the NCAA did find something, but looked the other way. Also, I think one of the reasons I'm having trouble believeing a lot of this (outside my admitted homerism), is if it is completely recent, that JT saw first hand how deep the NCAA looks at shit in 2003-2005, then said "fuck it" four years later. The man just isn't that stupid.
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I don't think he's stupid but perhaps his self assurance/ego/vanity whatever you want to call it makes him think he's so in control he can keep shit quiet? That line of reasoning goes a lot farther, imo, in explaining the tatgate cover up than anything else and it might apply here as well.

Also, who knows how much more thorough the NCAA is intent on performing colonoscopies these days? IIRC they were under different management back then. Maybe they are pissed off now over the tatgate deal and were more sympathetic back then? I have no idea but I am pretty confident that no major sports program wants the NCAA setting up a campus office. I think they all have shit they don't want scrutinized and OSU is no exception.

MaxBuck;1918943; said:
And if Thad Gibson showed our compliance people a sale contract documenting an appropriate price, then what would you say? You're awfully quick to assume the worst in every single instance, it seems to me.
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I would say that if they are actually vetting these purchases they would have the answer ready for something as egregious as the $0 car issue. If vetting is happening as they claim how in the world do you just now get around to asking Thad about this? How could a $0 car not raise an eyebrow when it happened, not 2 years later when the local newspaper is asking questions about it?

I'm 60% sure he can produce a valid sales receipt, the questions this (hopefully) mistake raises is of the vetting process in my eyes. As I said before, everyone probably does the car thing and the NCAA can't really do shit about it because of the moving target that is a "fair" price. That is until someone gets stupid/sloppy and raises a gigantic red "come fuck me" free car flag to the NCAA.

My admittedly cynical view of the world sees a mistake that should have easily been caught then hears a guy reading what sounds like a legal disclaimer script and I immediately get suspicious. If they have proof it was identified and corrected when it happened then I'm wrong and its much ado over nothing. Won't be the first time, won't be the last time.
 
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Jaxbuck;1918975; said:
I would say that if they are actually vetting these purchases they would have the answer ready for something as egregious as the $0 car issue.
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So in addition to looking at the sale contract, they're expected to monitor the car dealership's tax reports? Doesn't sound like a reasonable expectation to me. If this is so "egregious," why didn't the state's tax commissioner identify a problem with it? Selling a car for $zero sounds pretty ridiculous to me, whether the buyer is an Ohio State football player or my grandmother.
 
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MaxBuck;1918982; said:
So in addition to looking at the sale contract, they're expected to monitor the car dealership's tax reports? Doesn't sound like a reasonable expectation to me. If this is so "egregious," why didn't the state's tax commissioner identify a problem with it? Selling a car for $zero sounds pretty ridiculous to me, whether the buyer is an Ohio State football player or my grandmother.
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It's not as egregious to the state tax commissioner so much as to a school who's player got that deal (if it happened that way). The point remains, how does a $0 car not show up in this process where OSU compliance is supposedly checking each deal but the Dispatch finds it 2 years later?

Look, obviously you are willing to give OSU the benefit of the doubt. Obviously I am not buying much of anything they are selling. We can go back and forth a million times, we aren't going to change each others opinion.

I am as confident something is rotten this time as I was last time but I'd prefer to be dead wrong. Lets see what happens.
 
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3074326;1918972; said:
Why are you asking BuckeyePlanet? Just get to the point. We probably all mostly agree with what we know you're going to say anyways.
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probably mostly? :lol:

My point is the rules are so fucked up, I am honestly having trouble understanding them. If the player would be allowed to sell his old xbox, but not his gift from the Sugar Bowl...as little sense as it makes, then ok. But if he'd be allowed to sell his new xbox, then why not his jersey or sportsmanship award, so long as he's not getting fitty grand for it. And if he's not allowed to even sell his old xbox, then the NCAA would be seriously out of line...though I think even the ones claiming "the rules are the rules" already know that much...well...probably mostly anyway.
 
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Jaxbuck;1918989; said:
It's not as egregious to the state tax commissioner so much as to a school who's player got that deal (if it happened that way). The point remains, how does a $0 car not show up in this process where OSU compliance is supposedly checking each deal but the Dispatch finds it 2 years later?
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Because the school more than likely doesn't get the state paperwork for compliance issues. Why is it so hard to separate the paperwork that everyone sees for you? If the paperwork presented to the student(s) and school don't show $0 as the price, no red flags are raised.

Unless Compliance never actually reviewed the transactions - and judging by how Compliance has fared in the past (not the coaches and administrators), I find that hard to believe - it doesn't look like an OSU issue at all. Yeah, maybe having that many transactions tied to two dealers and one salesman is a perception issue, but otherwise it seems clean on tOSU's end and shady/slimy on Kniffin's end.
 
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I doubt they (compliance office) check the title anyway....they check the bill of sale and the note on the loan...the title recording obviously got fucked up imo....even if you gave the car away you wouldnt record the title with 0 on it that is just stupid...it raises a red flag with the state toward the dealer....nothing to do with the ncaa...that said the problem for me is the salesman at the games....
 
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bassbuckeye07;1919047; said:
I doubt they (compliance office) check the title anyway....they check the bill of sale and the note on the loan...the title recording obviously got fucked up imo....even if you gave the car away you wouldnt record the title with 0 on it that is just stupid...it raises a red flag with the state toward the dealer....nothing to do with the ncaa...that said the problem for me is the salesman at the games....
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I've seen people do that on craigslist style sales,but a car dealership is completely different. I seriously doubt he's putting a 0 for just anyone.
 
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powerlifter;1919054; said:
I've seen people do that on craigslist style sales,but a car dealership is completely different. I seriously doubt he's putting a 0 for just anyone.
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"You want me to do a lot check, then I'll do a darn lot check...you're darn tootin'"
 
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powerlifter;1919054; said:
I've seen people do that on craigslist style sales,but a car dealership is completely different. I seriously doubt he's putting a 0 for just anyone.
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Im saying if your a car dealership and put zero on a title you are stupid no matter who you are doing it for....it could and did and will bring attention from the state...for the dealer the NCAA doesnt mean shit but fixing a title to avoid paying sales tax on a two year old Chrystler 300 doesnt make sense to me at all
 
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scarletmike;1919015; said:
Because the school more than likely doesn't get the state paperwork for compliance issues. Why is it so hard to separate the paperwork that everyone sees for you? If the paperwork presented to the student(s) and school don't show $0 as the price, no red flags are raised.

Unless Compliance never actually reviewed the transactions - and judging by how Compliance has fared in the past (not the coaches and administrators), I find that hard to believe - it doesn't look like an OSU issue at all. Yeah, maybe having that many transactions tied to two dealers and one salesman is a perception issue, but otherwise it seems clean on tOSU's end and shady/slimy on Kniffin's end.
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Probably because I know how a car gets titled.

There aren't separate forms, the state requires a copy of the bill of sale. The dealers back office is going to send the state a copy of the same bill of sale the customer/athlete is going to be walking around with.
 
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