Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[3074326]

it sounds like there is more coming down the pike. more specifically, it sounds like there will be nosy journalists and investigators rooting through ohio state's trash until there is enough to hang the program. if this happens, then i hope that college football burns to the ground.

Is there a rumor about more stuff?

 

[NFBuck]

Is there a rumor about more stuff?

It's being discussed by reputable posters on the scout insiders board, nothing specific though, just "batten down the hatches" warnings. Not surprising to me, seems like pandora's box has been opened and everything's going to be released bit by bit until there's enough of a groundswell to have somebody's head on a platter. I've pretty much accepted the fact that this is going to be a major shift in the program and I'm just gonna wait to see what's left when the smoke clears. I hope it's all just rumor and innuendo, but I'm preparing for the worst.

Thank God for the Tribe. :/

 

[3074326]

It's being discussed by reputable posters on the scout insiders board, nothing specific though, just "batten down the hatches" warnings. Not surprising to me, seems like pandora's box has been opened and everything's going to be released bit by bit until there's enough of a groundswell to have somebody's head on a platter. I've pretty much accepted the fact that this is going to be a major shift in the program and I'm just gonna wait to see what's left when the smoke clears. I hope it's all just rumor and innuendo, but I'm preparing for the worst.

Thank God for the Tribe. :/

Well, awesome.

 

[NFBuck]

Well, awesome.

I'm already pretty disillusioned with this whole fiasco, so anything short of decomposing bodies found buried in Tressel's backyard isn't going to faze me at this point.

 

[zincfinger]

Mistake in the paperwork or not, if there is an actual vetting process (they claim to review all transactions and now double checking), if the institution is in control how does that get through? You don't need to be a car expert to know cars shouldn't be free.

I agree with you that the car situation looks like there are some violations to be found there, and I would suspect that OSU athletes have gotten sweetheart deals on car purchases. Honestly, I would have said the same thing six months ago.

But as to the allegedly freebie car for Gibson, there seems to me to be an explanation that's just as plausible and no more convoluted than the "guilty" explanation. That the form a car dealer sends to OSU compliance is different from the form he sends to the State of Ohio, that the latter mistakenly had zero as the sale price and the former had the correct, non-zero sale price. That seems at least as likely to me as the scenario where OSU compliance, even if you assume they're doing their job just for form's sake, were so slack in their duties they didn't red flag free cars. Why bother even going through the motions if you're going to be that slack?

 

[3074326]

I'm already pretty disillusioned with this whole fiasco, so anything short of decomposing bodies found buried in Tressel's backyard isn't going to faze me at this point.

No, my reactions aren't even reactions at this point. I feel indifferent at this point. Not even excited for the football season.

But I'm still getting really tired of hearing about this stuff. And to know there's more.. ugh

 

[NFBuck]

No, my reactions aren't even reactions at this point. I feel indifferent at this point. Not even excited for the football season.

But I'm still getting really tired of hearing about this stuff. And to know there's more.. ugh

Me either. Between this, the Oregon street agent crap (that, fortunately for them, was swept under the rug when all this crap started), the Cam Newton payola bullshit, SEC oversigning, USC, and the long awaited other "big story" concerning a major program that's supposed to break this summer...my interest in CFB as a whole is nearly gone. In fact, at this point, it's taking on the same feel as the nba for me. It's all corrupt bullshit. I'm positive it has been for some time, but it erupting in my backyard is too close to home...especially when I always felt I supported one of the good programs. I'm holding out some slim hope this can all be explained away, but we're taking a lot of body shots, and apparently more is coming.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

No, my reactions aren't even reactions at this point. I feel indifferent at this point. Not even excited for the football season.

But I'm still getting really tired of hearing about this stuff. And to know there's more.. ugh

Just in case anyone cares- I have two vehicles, one new and one used. The new one I purchased for 2500 below blue book value, the used one I purchased for $500 below BBV.

Again, this was due to my research and persistence and not due to my good looks or status as a student athlete. But, it's not unusual to make a purchase below BBV, particularly since those numbers are relatively arbitrary.

 

[Steve19]

Ohio State's director of compliance is reviewing at least 50 car sales to Buckeyes athletes and relatives to see if they met NCAA rules, the Columbus Dispatch reported Saturday.The Dispatch reported that a car salesman who received game passes from Ohio State athletes handled many of the deals at two dealerships. Ohio State has since taken the salesman, Aaron Kniffin, off the pass list.

NCAA athletes are prevented from receiving special deals not available to other students. They are not permitted to trade autographs for discounts. Both dealerships display signed OSU memorabilia in their showrooms.

One car, a 2-year-old Chrysler 300 with fewer than 20,000 miles, was titled to then-sophomore defensive player Thaddeus Gibson in 2009. Documents show the purchase price as $0. Gibson said he did not know why the title showed a zero for the purchase price and said he was still paying for the car.

Buckeye football coach Jim Tressel's name has not been mentioned in the latest development involving the Big Ten program's athletes, but he still made news Saturday. As part of his punishment for not revealing his knowledge of his players? previous NCAA violations, Tressel will attend a five-day compliance seminar in June in Tampa, Fla.

Story continues here

 

[Jaxbuck]

But as to the allegedly freebie car for Gibson, there seems to me to be an explanation that's just as plausible and no more convoluted than the "guilty" explanation. That the form a car dealer sends to OSU compliance is different from the form he sends to the Ohio DMV (or Dept. of Treasury), that the latter mistakenly had zero as the sale price and the former had the correct, non-zero sale price. That seems at least as likely to me as the scenario where OSU compliance, even if you assume they're doing their job just for form's sake, were so slack in their duties they didn't red flag free cars. Why bother even going through the motions if you're going to be that slack?

For the record I think its more than likely a mistake. No one (I hope) is that shit all stupid as to actually put $0 down as the selling price.

I think its a BFD in this case because it raises questions. Questions make people dig further and I'm pretty sure that OSU doesn't want people digging at this point.

 

[zincfinger]

It's all corrupt bullshit. I'm positive it has been for some time...

A number of people have made the comment that this has gotten worse in recent years, but I actually think the opposite is true. Yes, there's more money involved, but there's also more oversight. My dad was a highly recruited basketball player in the late '50's, and he's told me that most schools just openly offered him various financial benefits if he'd commit. Everyone did it (in general, not just in his case), everyone knew everyone did it, and nobody really cared. U. Miami (FL.) offered to set up a food stand with my dad registered as the owner, pay someone to run it, and just send all the profits to him. The school my dad ended up attending paid airfare for his parents to attend all of his games. You can't do that today, at least not openly. But you could then. As NFBuck said, this has been going on for a long time (probably even used to be more of it), and will continue.

 

[buckeyboy]

I was indifferent about the whole tattoo thing. Tressel made a stupid decision to hold what he knew from the NCAA. I got over that and wasn't too concerned about what the NCAA was going to dole out. But this car shit stinks and IMO is unacceptable. Sad to see that this may cause the program to take a hit over such a ridiculous thing that should be monitored rigorously.

 

[NFBuck]

A number of people have made the comment that this has gotten worse in recent years, but I actually think the opposite is true. Yes, there's more money involved, but there's also more oversight. My dad was a highly recruited basketball player in the late '50's, and he's told me that most schools just openly offered him various financial benefits if he'd commit. Everyone did it, everyone knew everyone did it, and nobody really cared. U. Miami (FL.) offered to set up a food stand with my dad registered as the owner, pay someone to run it, and just send all the profits to him. The school my dad ended up attending paid airfare for his parents to attend all of his games. You can't do that today, at least not openly. But you could then. As NFBuck said, this has been going on for a long time (probably even used to be more of it), and will continue.

This is the issue. I don't think many people are naive enough to think anything happening here is a recent development in college athletics. The issue is, today's sports journalism's focus has shifted from covering what's going on on the field and glorifying that, to trying to burn down the athletes/teams/programs. It's the 'Current Affair' / 'Hard Copy' mentality of all of it that is ruining everything. Like somebody said earlier, the irony of it all is that these reporters are working so hard to gain a following by tearing everything down, that in a few years, nobody's going to give ashit about the sports/teams they're covering anymore.

It's pretty astounding the shift we have taken as a society towards our outlook on sports/entertainment. Stories of athletes/teams/people's successes don't sell anymore.

 

[3074326]

Just in case anyone cares- I have two vehicles, one new and one used. The new one I purchased for 2500 below blue book value, the used one I purchased for $500 below BBV.

Again, this was due to my research and persistence and not due to my good looks or status as a student athlete. But, it's not unusual to make a purchase below BBV, particularly since those numbers are relatively arbitrary.

Unless 50 student-athletes and their families all did persistent research, I don't think it's the same situation. Why else would the dealer be a guest of athletes? I have a hard time believing it's just because they're buddies.

 

[zincfinger]

This is the issue. I don't think many people are naive enough to think anything happening here is a recent development in college athletics. The issue is, today's sports journalism's focus has shifted from covering what's going on on the field and glorifying that, to trying to burn down the athletes/teams/programs. It's the 'Current Affair' / 'Hard Copy' mentality of all of it that is ruining everything. Like somebody said earlier, the irony of it all is that these reporters are working so hard to gain a following by tearing everything down, that in a few years, nobody's going to give ashit about the sports/teams they're covering anymore.

It's pretty astounding the shift we have taken as a society towards our outlook on sports/entertainment. Stories of athletes/teams/people's successes don't sell anymore.

I was referring to NCAA/conference/school oversight, rather than "sports journalism" "oversight". "Sports journalism" is for entertainment purposes only. But the NCAA has battened down the hatches, and that's a good thing, in my opinion. If things were as lax today as they were a few decades ago, with the explosion of money involved, then big-time college football and college basketball would effectively be professional minor leagues for the NFL and NBA, respectively. There's a bit of that flavor to it today, but there'd be a lot more without the collegiate organizations trying to resist it. At least that's my take; I know some others see it differently.