Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[NFBuck]

I was referring to NCAA/conference/school oversight, rather than "sports journalism" "oversight". "Sports journalism" is for entertainment purposes only. But the NCAA has battened down the hatches, and that's a good thing, in my opinion. If things were as lax today as they were a few decades ago, with the explosion of money involved, then big-time college football and college basketball would effectively be professional minor leagues for the NFL and NBA, respectively. There's a bit of that flavor to it today, but there'd be a lot more without the collegiate organizations trying to resist it. At least that's my take; I know some others see it differently.

Well, there is that...but it seems, more often then not, the ncaa is prodded into action by some enterprising journalist digging up malfeasance. Maybe that changes now, but that's certainly been the recent history.

 

[zincfinger]

Well, there is that...but it seems, more often then not, the ncaa is prodded into action by some enterprising journalist digging up malfeasance. Maybe that changes now, but that's certainly been the recent history.

That's fair, the NCAA probably does get a large chunk, maybe the vast majority, of its leads either from school self-reporting, or from newspaper stories. And maybe the latter is one of the bigger things to have changed.

 

[NFBuck]

That's fair, the NCAA probably does get a large chunk, maybe the vast majority, of its leads either from school self-reporting, or from newspaper stories. And maybe the latter is one of the bigger things to have changed.

"Wag the dog", as they say...

 

[zincfinger]

"Wag the dog", as they say...

As long as the NCAA is reasonably fair when they get involved, I don't really have a problem with it. For one thing, the only alternative to the NCAA relying on news reports would be for the NCAA to either rely exclusively on self-reporting (i.e. be a total non-enforcer on major violations) or to employ its own investigative unit: the NCAABI or something. Neither of those sounds all that great to me. Second, I think the NCAA has been reasonably fair, at least insofar as OSU is involved. ESPN tried like hell to turn the Clarett story into some major program indictment, but when the NCAA got involved, cooler heads prevailed. Similarly when OSU reported the Troy Smith stuff. Whatever the "sports journalism" agendas are out there, I'm reasonably confident that if the NCAA comes in with heavy duty punishment, OSU will have deserved it.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I have a question.

The Bowls are allowed to give players swag bags filled with stuff like watches, xbox 360's, etc...

If TP already has an xbox, or a nice watch, would he be allowed to sell his personal property that the NCAA had no hand in providing? Or would he be required to keep his old 360?

 

[BUCKYLE]

For the record I think its more than likely a mistake. No one (I hope) is that shit all stupid as to actually put $0 down as the selling price.

I think its a BFD in this case because it raises questions. Questions make people dig further and I'm pretty sure that OSU doesn't want people digging at this point.

The craziest part, to me, is that iirc, the NCAA went elbow deep up tOSU's ass trying to find a fuckin' shred of anything when the whole MoC saga took place, and didn't find a damn thing. What is so confusing to me, is that either this stuff is completely recent, or the NCAA did find something, but looked the other way. Also, I think one of the reasons I'm having trouble believeing a lot of this (outside my admitted homerism), is if it is completely recent, that JT saw first hand how deep the NCAA looks at shit in 2003-2005, then said "fuck it" four years later. The man just isn't that stupid.

 

[OH10]

Not to be hyperbolic or anything.

I didn't say "goodbye" in the sense that the department will be shutting down, or even that any program will get the so-called death penalty.

I do think we as a fanbase need to stop 1) being so naive; 2) pretending as if all of this [Mark May] is ok because everybody else may be doing it; 3) rationalizing all of these unacceptable transgressions.

If this car dealership business (and who knows what else for crying out loud) blows up, it will lead to the dreaded "lack of institutional control" charge. The football team (at the very least) will face severe sanctions, which will include postseason bans, scholarship reductions, etc. Tressel will eventually resign/be fired. Even Gene Smith should then begin looking for a new job.

The football program is the cash cow of the athletics' department. Should such severe sanctions be put in place, then you will see a dramatic decline in revenue - which will put a lot of other programs in the athletic department at risk. The behemoth of the Ohio State Athletic Department will be a shell of its former self.

So yeah, it could be bad. I think I would call that "the sky falling."

 

[jwinslow]

I didn't say "goodbye" in the sense that the department will be shutting down, or even that any program will get the so-called death penalty.

so you said goodbye in the "not goodbye" sense.

 

[MaxBuck]

... I think any prudent person should ask questions about a for profit business selling a product to anyone for $0.

Mistake in the paperwork or not, if there is an actual vetting process (they claim to review all transactions and now double checking), if the institution is in control how does that get through? You don't need to be a car expert to know cars shouldn't be free.

And if Thad Gibson showed our compliance people a sale contract documenting an appropriate price, then what would you say? You're awfully quick to assume the worst in every single instance, it seems to me.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I didn't say "goodbye" in the sense that the department will be shutting down, or even that any program will get the so-called death penalty.

I do think we as a fanbase need to stop 1) being so naive; 2) pretending as if all of this [Mark May] is ok because everybody else may be doing it; 3) rationalizing all of these unacceptable transgressions.

If this car dealership business (and who knows what else for crying out loud) blows up, it will lead to the dreaded "lack of institutional control" charge. The football team (at the very least) will face severe sanctions, which will include postseason bans, scholarship reductions, etc. Tressel will eventually resign/be fired. Even Gene Smith should then begin looking for a new job.

The football program is the cash cow of the athletics' department. Should such severe sanctions be put in place, then you will see a dramatic decline in revenue - which will put a lot of other programs in the athletic department at risk. The behemoth of the Ohio State Athletic Department will be a shell of its former self.

So yeah, it could be bad. I think I would call that "the sky falling."

If the home games continue to sell out, and the B10 puts two teams in the BCS, then considering the B10 splits all bowl revenue equally...then how, exactly would there be a "dramatic decline in revenue"?

Honest question.

 

[starBUCKS]

If the home games continue to sell out, and the B10 puts two teams in the BCS, then considering the B10 splits all bowl revenue equally...then how, exactly would there be a "dramatic decline in revenue"?

Honest question.

Could be assuming the Buckeye Booster and President Club donations could decline.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Could be assuming the Buckeye Booster and President Club donations could decline.

How much revenue are those responsible for compared to the BTN deal and any other tv deals already in place?

If those two are significant sources of revenue compared to tv and bowl money, that would be surprising to me. Not that they aren't, just that I never would have guessed they were.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I have a question.

The Bowls are allowed to give players swag bags filled with stuff like watches, xbox 360's, etc...

If TP already has an xbox, or a nice watch, would he be allowed to sell his personal property that the NCAA had no hand in providing? Or would he be required to keep his old 360?

As long as he sells it for what it's worth he'd be fine.

 

[BUCKYLE]

As long as he sells it for what it's worth he'd be fine.

But he couldn't sell the xbox or watch he got from the Sugar Bowl?

 

[Buckeye513]

As long as he sells it for what it's worth he'd be fine.

Didn't Ian Johnson get in trouble for selling hats he knitted for $10?