Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[MaliBuckeye]

Why do people feel OSU will vacate wins? IMO, that's absurd. The players involved are sitting for the next 5 games and the NCAA has already stated that penalty won't change. If you are saying they vacate wins, then you are adding to their penalty by saying they should have sat out additional games. Also, I don't see that anything has actually changed. The NCAA had to send a notice of allegations once they received OSU's self report. Everything in that self report was known to OSU when they punished JT in the first place.

I think it's mostly based on the NCAA's language that the University used ineligible players, and previous NCAA history.

Not that I agree with it. The NC2 does what they will do.

 

[Saw31]

I'll be surprised if the wins aren't vacated actually...

 

[akronbuck]

Guess I'm missing something based on some folk's reaction, but that report is basically confirming what we already knew. Bonus: nothing new has come out and the dreaded "failure to monitor" and "lack of institutional control" is not being brought forth.

Everything in that report is stuff we already knew. So, why the hand wringing?

My guess, and granted, I'm far from an expert, forfeit some wins and some additional restrictions made on Tressel...perhaps pertaining to recruiting.

Unfortunately, I think the worst part of all of this is that I feel, and I have no inside information, but I feel, that Jim Tressel will step down sooner rather than later. How soon probably depends on what his punishment ultimately is.

bingo and Tressel being gone is killing me. I met him/staff first at Chris Wells grandmothers house on his home visit.

 

[knapplc]

So you guys are, in general, not worried that The Vest will be ousted? I know he's hugely popular here. I presume nobody wants him gone, correct? All he ever does is beat Michigan and win the conference, look good and comport himself well (something our coach has difficulty with ), and overall he's very well respected. So nobody here WANTS Tressel out, correct?

I think the media uproar you're seeing has a lot to do with a slow news cycle. This will get some play until Thursday when the draft starts, and then it'll become a back-page story again until August or so.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

So you guys are, in general, not worried that The Vest will be ousted? I know he's hugely popular here. I presume nobody wants him gone, correct? All he ever does is beat Michigan and win the conference, look good and comport himself well (something our coach has difficulty with ), and overall he's very well respected. So nobody here WANTS Tressel out, correct?

I think the media uproar you're seeing has a lot to do with a slow news cycle. This will get some play until Thursday when the draft starts, and then it'll become a back-page story again until August or so.

Some are, some aren't. We are convinced, though, that no one man is bigger than the University/program.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Why do people feel OSU will vacate wins? IMO, that's absurd.

Because (A) Tressel did fail to report and (B) possibly attempted to cover up (C) players who were probably ineligible and (D) knowingly used those players to win eleven games in 2010 (the Sugar Bowl should not be at issue, because prior to that game everyone knew that those players were ineligible and the NCAA allowed them to play anyway).

 

[jlb1705]

Why do people feel OSU will vacate wins? IMO, that's absurd. The players involved are sitting for the next 5 games and the NCAA has already stated that penalty won't change. If you are saying they vacate wins, then you are adding to their penalty by saying they should have sat out additional games. Also, I don't see that anything has actually changed. The NCAA had to send a notice of allegations once they received OSU's self report. Everything in that self report was known to OSU when they punished JT in the first place.

The players were ineligible the entire time from the point that Tressel learned about the infractions until the NCAA reinstated them and put their current penalty in place.

Vacating wins would not be adding punishment to those players, it's is meant to punish the coach & program that presumable gained a competitive advantage by fielding players that were known to be ineligible.

And since somebody's going to call me on it, yes, Ohio State did gain a competitive advantage in that regard last season. I don't buy the excuses about the way it was handled - Occam's razor tells me that first and foremost the transgressions were not reported in order to preserve the status of those players for that season's competition. For that reason, vacating wins is actually quite an apporpriate sanction - an eye for an eye.

 

[jlb1705]

So you guys are, in general, not worried that The Vest will be ousted? I know he's hugely popular here. I presume nobody wants him gone, correct? All he ever does is beat Michigan and win the conference, look good and comport himself well (something our coach has difficulty with ), and overall he's very well respected. So nobody here WANTS Tressel out, correct?

I think the media uproar you're seeing has a lot to do with a slow news cycle. This will get some play until Thursday when the draft starts, and then it'll become a back-page story again until August or so.

I think the AD and President are firmly in Tressel's corner. I'm not worried about that. Rather, I'm worried that the NCAA may make supporting Tressel an untenable position.

 

[knapplc]

I think the AD and President are firmly in Tressel's corner. I'm not worried about that. Rather, I'm worried that the NCAA may make that an untenable position.

That's what I would be worried about, too, that Show-Cause penalty.

As I understand it, nothing happens now until Ohio State responds on or about July 25th, then goes in front of the Committee on August 12th. Long time to wait.

 

[Saw31]

So you guys are, in general, not worried that The Vest will be ousted? I know he's hugely popular here. I presume nobody wants him gone, correct? All he ever does is beat Michigan and win the conference, look good and comport himself well (something our coach has difficulty with ), and overall he's very well respected. So nobody here WANTS Tressel out, correct?

I think the media uproar you're seeing has a lot to do with a slow news cycle. This will get some play until Thursday when the draft starts, and then it'll become a back-page story again until August or so.

I'm from the new 'Cradle of Coaches' here in Youngstown. I have watched Tress for decades now. I was lobbying for him to TOSU since the mid-90's. I have friends who played for him. I know several YSU boosters who know him well. Never had the opportunity to meet him myself, but everyone up here who knows him can't say enough good things about him. This whole thing has just been a complete disaster. At this point I'm just sitting on the sidelines and watching. TOSU is bigger than any one person and what happens next, I'm just bracing myself.

 

[buckeyebri]

I think the AD and President are firmly in Tressel's corner. I'm not worried about that. Rather, I'm worried that the NCAA may make supporting Tressel an untenable position.

I think you also have to take into consideration what the tOSU Godfathers think about all of this....They are the ones that are as likely to have a say one way or the other....

 

[cjmik_75]

The players were ineligible the entire time from the point that Tressel learned about the infractions until the NCAA reinstated them and put their current penalty in place.

Vacating wins would not be adding punishment to those players, it's is meant to punish the coach & program that presumable gained a competitive advantage by fielding players that were known to be ineligible.

And since somebody's going to call me on it, yes, Ohio State did gain a competitive advantage in that regard last season. I don't buy the excuses about the way it was handled - Occam's razor tells me that first and foremost the transgressions were not reported in order to preserve the status of those players for that season's competition. For that reason, vacating wins is actually quite an apporpriate sanction - an eye for an eye.

This.

Add in that 5 games for Tressel is probably going to be increased. IMO a post season ban and scholarship reductions would be over the top. (Not that my IMO means jack shit - just saying.) However, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point.

I'm prepared for the worst and the actual punishment handed down might be bearable.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

IMO, there's no way the NCAA doesn't vacate all 11 of our 2011 regular season wins. I really hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see how they don't...

 

[Onebuckfan]

I think the AD and President are firmly in Tressel's corner. I'm not worried about that. Rather, I'm worried that the NCAA may make supporting Tressel an untenable position.

I think the NCAA will tell the school are you with us or JT..

 

[alexhortdog95]

But I think the NCAA will come down with something more for JT, perhaps severe limitations for contacting recruits for a year or something like that. But I'm guessing that any additional penalties will be aimed specifically at JT, and not at tOSU in general.

I have to agree...

I wish JT the best and hope he gets through this as the HC of tOSU. But this:

The NCAA alleges that:
Tressel was guilty of ethical misconduct when he knowingly provided false information to the NCAA in certifying that he knew of no potential violations by his players and failed to inform OSU officials.

...isn't looking good for him at all. Hopefully, the NCAA takes the 5 games and fine. The school may escape the harsh penalties because records state that he didn't communicate with any school officials. My heart of hearts says, though (opinion), because they're meeting on the 12th of August that they won't suggest his contract be terminated. The NCAA is heartless, but if they did that right before the season.....sheesh.

I think it's stupid for the NCAA (IMHO) to consider this a 'repeat offender' status. Troy Smith has been gone for almost 5 years now. They seem to make stuff up as they go along.