Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[matcar]

Ouch.

When Barry Switzer defends you...

Hey there buddy, that's an ex-Hog you're talkin' bout.

 

[Systems_id]

It doesn't make JT a bad guy, but it's beginning to be clear that he swallowed this. Many are speculating as to why and trying to come up with "favorable" reasons, but the most obvious potential reason is that he didn't want to lose 2 of his best players. I hate that this might be true, but that's where the evidence points. If that's the case, I'll have to live with that and move on...and accept whatever punishment the NCAA deems appropriate.

I think what has everyone confused is that Tressel has ALREADY turned in two of his best players before i.e. the Clarrett situation and the Troy situation. If those events never took place then this line of reasoning would sit better with me.

 

[Gatorubet]

Well, it is the SEC.

BTW, clean out your pm box. Everything is getting rejected.

I find that snooty.

 

[Mike80]

I think what has everyone confused is that Tressel has ALREADY turned in two of his best players before i.e. the Clarrett situation and the Troy situation. If those events never took place then this line of reasoning would sit better with me.

And I still question just how much information we don't have yet....both ways....

For one, I have to think that there's more to the story. These guys were too organized during the original Tat 5 presser to turn around and look that damned bad within the time span given.

For another, I worry that since this is so out of character for JT I wonder if either the pressure got to him or if perhaps he may be slipping a bit?

Here's a question no one has really voiced yet (and it'll drive ORD and Gator nuts): What if he forgot? It still doesn't matter much in terms of the NCAA investigation, but I think it's within the realm of possibility.

 

[SmoovP]

Hey there buddy, that's an ex-Hog you're talkin' bout.

We don't really claim him.

 

[redbenn]

So everyone kept saying how weird of a season 2010 was for college football. It didn't start off clean, w/ USC getting the hammer.

Now 3 of the top 5 final AP teams are under serious investigations by the NCAA.

 

[MaxBuck]

Well, it is the SEC.

BTW, clean out your pm box. Everything is getting rejected.

And this is a problem for Gatorubet why?

1. Nobody deserves to get death threats, regardless of how stupid their behavior has been.

2. Cicero behaved unethically and inappropriately by reporting hearsay to Tressel, thereby putting Tressel on the horns of a dilemma - a dilemma he didn't handle very well at all. It seems pretty evident to me that Cicero takes client confidentiality pretty casually, just as he seems to take sex with sitting judges.

3. I continue to regard "hearing a report of" and "knowing about" as two different things, especially when the report comes from someone whose ethics and reliability are as demonstrably suspect as Cicero's. But without any doubt, Tressel should immediately have brought the emails to the attention of the compliance office.

4. I wouldn't be overly upset (and I sure would not be surprised) by a substantially longer suspension for Tressel. But no question - I want him as our coach for as long as he wants to be here.

 

[matcar]

I think what has everyone confused is that Tressel has ALREADY turned in two of his best players before i.e. the Clarrett situation and the Troy situation. If those events never took place then this line of reasoning would sit better with me.

Oh I agree that everyone is confused because it DOES seem so out of character for JT, but it doesn't change the facts that we DO know nor what was stated in the press conference or in tOSU findings reported. It doesn't seem right, but....there it all is in all its glory, or lack thereof.

 

[Gatorubet]

With all due respect Gator, I couldn't give a mother[censored] where you stand or whom you stand with. I get what you're doing here, and I know others appreciate it...I'm not one of them. This is a family squabble, and no matter how much I care for a friend, they should stay the [censored] out of family [Mark May]. Ya know?

Like you don't have some dumb fuck relatives from the south always butting in...

Hypocrite.

 

[Oh8ch]

So everyone kept saying how weird of a season 2010 was for college football. It didn't start off clean, w/ USC getting the hammer.

Now 3 of the top 5 final AP teams are under serious investigations by the NCAA.

It is the drum I have been beating for some time. It is ALL about the money. You can't be passing around hundreds of millions of dollars with all these nonsense rules about amateurism and not see your house of cards teeter.

You may argue that JT was not motivated by money - but that misses the point. The players you must recruit, the compromises you must make, to compete at the highest level (those top 5 spots) directly lead to the same result in a myriad of forms.

And for all of our self righteous arguments (myself included) about being all-in or not all-in, pretty much all of us come to this board to follow a team that we expect to compete at that level.

 

[Mike80]

It just shows how screwed up everyone's priorities are anymore.

At this point, if college sports went away I think we'd all be better for it. I wouldn't LIKE it, and I certainly would miss it, but collegiate athletics are in their dying days as we know them.

It is the drum I have been beating for some time. It is ALL about the money. You can't be passing around hundreds of millions of dollars with all these nonsense rules about amateurism and not see your house of cards teeter.

You may argue that JT was not motivated by money - but that misses the point. The players you must recruit, the compromises you must make, to compete at the highest level (those top 5 spots) directly lead to the same result in a myriad of forms.

And for all of our self righteous arguments (myself included) about being all-in or not all-in, pretty much all of us come to this board to follow a team that we expect to compete at that level.

Agreed.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Agreed.

Agreed.this is what major college football has become

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I've always maintained that big time athletics is corrupting to higher education. There's corruption with a big "C" such as Switzer's Oklahoma, SMU and USC. There's also corruption with a small "c," and that's pretty much the fact that these athletic departments--which really serve zero purpose to a university's core mission--have grown too big and encroached too much on schools' primary missions. Given the exponential rate of growth in the money involved (and subsequent pressure to keep feeding the beast), it's only a matter of time before even the best programs get swept away into the morass.

Yes, as a die-hard fan of a big time program, that makes me a hypocrite. That's up to me to reconcile.

 

[SmoovP]

I've always maintained the big time athletics is corrupting to higher education. There's corruption with a big "C" such as Switzer's Oklahoma, SMU and USC. There's also corruption with a small "c," and that's pretty much the fact that these athletic departments--which really serve zero purpose to a university's core mission--have grown too big and encroached too much on schools' primary missions. Given the exponential rate of growth in the money involved (and subsequent pressure to keep feeding the beast), it's only a matter of time before even the best programs get swept away into the morass.

Yes, as a die-hard fan of a big time program, that makes me a hypocrite. That's up to me to reconcile.

I agree with that one one level, but athletics also bring an element of fun to academics.

Going to school without a football and basketball team to get invested in would be pretty dry.

Following our teams after we graduate keeps us invested in the university.

Athletics are perhaps too powerful, and even at times out of control, but it would be a sad day - and a duller world - if we were to disassociate athletics and academics.

 

[Mike80]

I agree with that one one level, but athletics also bring an element of fun to academics.

Going to school without a football and basketball team to get invested in would be pretty dry.

Following our teams after we graduate keeps us invested in the university.

Athletics are perhaps too powerful, and even at times out of control, but it would be a sad day - and a duller world - if we were to disassociate athletics and academics.

If you're going to school because of the football or basketball team instead of an education you're just wasting your and everyone else's time.