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WR DeVier Posey (2017 Grey Cup Champion and MVP)

BuckeyeLiger87;1840128; said:
I'm pretty sure that their place was burglarized, though not sure if it's the place you're talking about.

And I find it very doubtful that a football player would be allowed to take a student loan seeing as those are used to pay for school and that is what their scholarship would be for. So any type of loan they would probably get based on the idea that it would be repaid by their NFL earning. That would probably not sit well with the NCAA.
The writer of this piece in the Gainesville Times apparently has a different take - it pre-dates the Buckeyes revelations, and uses Aj Green as the primary prop:
A.J. Green's jersey scandal, North Carolina's football team suspensions and a recent Sports Illustrated article have rehashed the issue of student-athletes receiving money by way of violating NCAA rules, either through an agent or other means.
So, the loan or not to loan question is treated thusly after discussing the negative ramifications of paying student athletes ...
These are just a few examples of the complicated mess that would arise from agreeing to pay a college football player.

So college football players are hopeless in terms of financial aid, right?

Wrong again.

And actually, that's the simple solution for those who choose to play college football - financial aid. Take out a student loan like so many other college students in America do to get by while receiving an education.

According to the NCAA Division I manual's bylaws," Loans, except legitimate loans that are based upon a regular repayment schedule, are available to all students and administered on the same basis for all students."

So there you have it.
He later continues ...
College football players on scholarship don't have to pay for food, boarding or their education. All they have to do is play football and, if they choose, pay enough attention in class to make their degree substantial when/if they graduate.

And since tuition and books are taken care of, if athletes apply for student loans, they can put all of that money in their bank account and do whatever they want with it.

And the more expensive the institution, the higher the loan amount.

So if I were a college athlete, that's what I'd do. I'd get the extra cash I'd need to "survive" you know, the excuse student-athletes give for taking money from agents.

But there's a much better reason to apply for a student loan instead of taking money from an agent: FAFSA isn't going to demand three percent of your rookie contract signing bonus. You're locked in to a low interest rate that no agent would agree to. Plus, the NCAA won't be riding your back with allegations and no threat of bringing down the program you played for would exist.

It's called doing things the right way.

Now sure, maybe you wouldn't get the same, high amount of money an agent could offer, but weren't you just trying to "survive" anyway?

Of course, there's also the rule - brought to mainstream light in the Sports Illustrated article - that a student-athlete has no legal obligation to repay an agent. Obviously, the student-athlete would be required to repay a loan, so if he went undrafted he'd be stuck with the tab. But he'd also be stuck with an education.

Bottom line: There is no need for a student-athlete to take money from an agent, and there's no need for a university to pay its college athletes.

If the student-athlete needs money, take out a loan like the rest of the student population does. And if you're as good as you think you are, you'll be able to pay it off with your first paycheck - a debt that would likely take the rest of the student population years to pay off.
 
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HineyBuck;1840242; said:
Good to see we're not only dumping on Devier, but Julie too. Who the hell does she think she is, sticking up for her son at a time like this. Can't she see he needs a good spankin'.:so:

Now probably isn't the best time to reinforce his bad behavior by stating what he did was OK.

He just smeared the university and hurt 80 other players, but somehow DeVier is the victim?...fantastic!!!
 
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This country is great if accepting a scholarship to a great University to play football is to much of a strain on ones family..you can turn it down..get a job and help your family. I'd like to live in Hawaii too but my wife thinks it might strain the budget back in Oneida IL so I live here and work and take care of my family.
 
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Onebuckfan;1840338; said:
This country is great if accepting a scholarship to a great University to play football is to much of a strain on ones family..you can turn it down..get a job and help your family. I'd like to live in Hawaii too but my wife thinks it might strain the budget back in Oneida IL so I live here and work and take care of my family.

The other thing that makes this country great is the freedom we have to make choices without getting lectures about what one would / wouldn't do with one's wife, presumptions about another's family obligations and budget constraints.

Sheesh... put down the kool-aid bro. Don't presume to know what he (or anybody else) has to go through.
 
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"They didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done," Posey said. "They looked around to see what they could do to help (their families).
"There's no crime here. None. They're not involved with agents. They didn't steal anything. They didn't borrow anything from anybody. It was theirs. Nobody told them it 'almost belongs to you.' It belonged to them."

She makes a great point, but where is the line drawn? They exist as star players in a football program fit for the national stage. They earned those rings and should be able to do whatever they want with them. At the same time, should they be able to get help from the NCAA, University, or other boosters when the need is real so that student athelets don't have to be put into this situation? The rhetorical question begs to be answered, and quickly. This needs to be clarified on the national level by the NCAA so that all of college football plays by the same rules.
 
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shetuck;1840340; said:
The other thing that makes this country great is the freedom we have to make choices without getting lectures about what one would / wouldn't do with one's wife, presumptions about another's family obligations and budget constraints.

Sheesh... put down the kool-aid bro. Don't presume to know what he (or anybody else) has to go through.
I don't presume to know Posey at all but he broke the rules he has to take responsibilty for it..its not anyones fault but his own..I realize this has gone out of favor and playing the victim is all the rage..He did what anyone would have done then why is tOSU the only bowl team with players being suspended foe selling items...are we the only team with financially troubled families..I could be a little more sympathetic if it was an epidemic in college football not just an event at one University by 5 out of 85 players.
 
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Onebuckfan;1840344; said:
I don't presume to know Posey at all but he broke the rules he has to take responsibilty for it..its not anyones fault but his own..I realize this has gone out of favor and playing the victim is all the rage..He did what anyone would have done then why is tOSU the only bowl team with players being suspended foe selling items...are we the only team with financially troubled families..I could be a little more sympathetic if it was an epidemic in college football not just an event at one University by 5 out of 85 players.

The reason is because tOSU is a clean program that self reports, unlike the majority of other programs. If you don't think this goes on at other universities you're crazy. Do you not think there are thousands of small businesses out there that let the players bill slide when they're done with breakfast, when the haircut is done, etc.? Very similar situations.

These players are not victims, they are not innocent but they are much more the norm than you are willing to admit.
 
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"They didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done," Posey said. "They looked around to see what they could do to help (their families).
"There's no crime here. None. They're not involved with agents. They didn't steal anything. They didn't borrow anything from anybody. It was theirs. Nobody told them it 'almost belongs to you.' It belonged to them."

True. But their autograph is theirs as well, and they know full well they cannot give their autograph in turn for payment. It's a pretty easy connection if you really want to connect the dots...

:osu:
 
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scarletngray;1840425; said:
(quoting Ms. Posey)"They didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done,"

Somehow, despite the incredible odds, all of the other members of the team failed to come to this conclusion.

And the reference to "crime" is misplaced. Breaking NCAA rules does not implicate criminal law. But breaking NCAA rules can have drastic effects on a program and on Posey's teammates. Which we will find out at the first conference game at home versus Sparty - and at Miami with its new coach. Maybe he can do something with Wandy's players. This may or may not be a great test, but it is a concern.
 
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Honestly, posey's mom comes off dripping with entitlement. There are literally thousands of students who are scraping by at Ohio State on pell grants,scholarships and part time jobs. And though they might be far better students than most football players, nobody is arguing that should have cars and off campus apartments paid for.

Also, I've yet to hear one concrete instance of one of the five's families facing eviction,a medical crisis or anything else that served as a catalyst for their actions.
 
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