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Will JT Win Another NC at tOSU?

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Will JT Win Another NC at tOSU?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 81 49.7%

  • No, but we need to keep him because he's such a great ambassador for Ohio State

    Votes: 56 34.4%

  • No, but we need to keep him because there's no other coach who's any better

    Votes: 23 14.1%

  • No, so it's time to fire him and hire some one who will win it all

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Total voters
    163
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Colvinnl;1796333; said:
Lets not carry this too far. See, Paterno, Joe; Bowden, Bobby.
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Completely agreed, I just can't see Tressel coaching till he's 80 or even 70. I expect Tressel to retire in the next 5-10 years and I have a hard time imagining him holding on too long like Bowden or Paterno. Also, from a successor standpoint, I wouldn't mind Dantonio returning to Columbus after Tressel retires.
 
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http://www.duanelongreport.com/2010/october/fire-tressel.html

good article

Riptide had an excellent post on Bucknuts about the fact that we are not built to come from behind. JT is 15-20 when down at the half. Considering he has lost a grand total of 23 games here, that is a very telling stat. Rip rightly pointed out that it is Jim Tressels conservative nature that is the culprit. Rip is not calling for Jim Tressels head. For those of you who are, this game is where you came to understand that Jim Tressel was conservative? This was a revelation to you? I think Jim Tressel can be too conservative. This is not news to anyone who has followed me over the years. I believe he waits on teams to lose the game. I would like to see him go out and win the game. I just don't see that as why we lost this game. 21-0 in the first quarter is where we lost this game. We needed three touchdowns just to draw even.
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BayBuck;1796377; said:
What are we talking here, one week?
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Think it through, okay? You got a problem take it to PMs.
 
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I think JT wins another championship with Braxton Miller at QB. I love Terrelle Pryor and his athleticism is unreal, but his throwing is still largely suspect in games where he needs his arm. And I just don't JT is comfortable installing an unfamiliar offense which would best utilize Terrelle's skills. It's still a day to day progress of trying to make Terrelle the best pocket passer he can be.

I think Braxton is going to be amazing here. He'll have the ability to throw and is sooo far ahead of where Terrelle was at as a freshman in terms of understanding defenses and mechanics. And Braxton will be as good outside of the pocket as TP was but in a different way. Where TP shrugs guys in the pocket and straight lines it for massive yards, we'll see more jukes and cutbacks out of Braxton who will take contact but avoid the big hits. I guess its hard to verbalize, but I think Braxton's mobility will be better suited for JT's philosophy. A guy comfortable in the pocket but with amazing mobility and a natural arm. I think Braxton will be able to handle JT's conservative offense with more success than Terrelle due to his ability to scramble, but also his natural understanding of being a QB.

There have been some growing pains with TP, but he has developed into a very good QB. Sometimes, it sill feels like they're fitting a square peg in a round hole, or implementing wrinkles into the offense that JT isn't comfortable with. I get the feeling that Terrelle has in the past refused to run b/c he wants to be a QB, and at the same time JT has incorporated things into the offense under the pressure of having a freak under the center (option plays on goal line?).

It'd be an amazing story for TP and JT to bring it home next year in Terrelle's senior season, but with so much lost on defense and question marks at WR it seems unlikely. I think JT uses Terrelle's development as a benchmark for Braxton and it gets us a title by Miller's junior season.
 
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There was an interview from a couple years ago in which Gene Smith or Tressel recounted the conversation they had about scheduling Tennessee. It went something like this:

Gene Smith: I just finalized the deal to play a home and home against Tennessee in 2018-19.

Jim Tressel: If I'm still coaching then, shoot me.

That was meant to be a humorous story, and nothing is set in stone, but I believe we have passed the halfway point in Coach Tressel's tenure as Head Coach at Ohio State. I think JT has about a five year window to make a serious NC run. The schedules lay out very favorably for OSU to be within striking distance of the BCS top 2 each year (in terms of strength of schedule, marquee games), especially since Nebraska is added to the mix. Of course, winning them all is the tricky part. If I had to lay money down, I'd say next season is our best chance.

The strengths and weaknesses of Tressel coached teams become clearer over time. I would say the most glaring weaknesses are O-line and DT. IMO, the O-lines have played under their talent level nearly every year. Troy Smith's elusiveness and Beanie's ability helped to mask the shortcomings, but they became evident against elite competition. This is the one area I believe falls directly on the coaches.

As far as DT, there was quite a dry spell in recruiting for a time, though I think it's getting much stronger. This is the only position on D that has been short of stellar in JT's tenure. Again, the strength of the other positions helped to hide the deficiencies, but you don't win a NC with question marks on either side of the LoS.

If JT and his staff can correct these problems (and the recent ST woes), OSU should be a serious contender every season. His coaching philosophy may not be the most exciting, and it can be frustrating at times, but it consistently puts his team in a position to win nearly every game. In other words, he's the opposite of Charlie Weiss. Tressel is like a poker player who folds twice as much as anyone else, never bluffs or bets big, but finishes in the money every time. Even with all the intangibles of college athletics, the more often you finish in the top 5, the more likely the chance to win it all.
 
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I wonder what they're saying down in Florida right now? They're 4-3.

Teams don't learn to come from behind when they're always (or almost always) in the lead. That's why our players freak out, especially if it's on the road.

I mean, they didn't totally spew their cookies but I mean it's tough to get back in it, against wisky, on the road. For all that, they did a fair job of getting back within 3 points.

I think being on top, being #1, and having winning streaks affects the coaching staff as much as it does the players. Tressel and his staff have done some of their best coaching after some tough losses. 2001 was a tough year, we did beat scUM, then lost to SC in the Gator Bowl.

2002 was magical.

2004 was a tough year, with a 3-game losing streak that may have pushed the staff to break out of their mold a little bit, put Troy in, open things up a little.

2005 was good, finished strong and blew away ND. I think it helped that the players could still remember the "dark" days of 2004.

2006, 2007, there we were, on the top of the world and while we did well, it sure doesn't make you the kind of scratching, clawing, gambling team that knows how to come back in a game.

I guess we're talkin' human nature here.

Remember how impressive Larry Coker and Ken Dorsey were in 2002 - holy cow, 34 games in a row!!!

Where are they now?

so maybe what I'm saying is, you won't see Tressel leaving here in shame, or with his head down low, or being fired.

As for the next coach? My first choice would be Pelini.

Go Bucks!
 
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y0yoyoin;1796353; said:
http://www.duanelongreport.com/2010/october/fire-tressel.html

good article



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His stat can't be correct, because Tressel has lost only 22 games here, and more then just 2 of those losses came when the team was not down at halftime.

The general idea behind the stat is still correct but what it tells me is that Jim Tressel coached teams don't blow a lot of games.


In Tressel's first year here, there were 2 games where first half leads were blown, against Penn State and against Wisconsin. I'm willing to throw out the first year when looking at any coach, because they just haven't established themselves with that team yet.

The only 3 times since where OSU has lost when we WEREN'T down at halftime:

USC in 09 which was tied at the half

Penn State in 08 which was tied at the half

Texas in 05 where we were up by 3 at the half.

That shows an exceptional care for leads, I mean think about that for a minute. You should be feeling pretty good with a lead at the half when watching a Tressel coached team.


If you throw out Tressel's first season as a coach here again, the biggest lead given up in a game by Tressel at Ohio State (where we went on to lose the game) is 10 points against both Wiscy in 04 and LSU in the title game. What some call "conservative" I call a ridiculously efficient method for winning football games.
 
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generaladm;1796409; said:
I think JT has about a five year window to make a serious NC run. The schedules lay out very favorably for OSU to be within striking distance of the BCS top 2 each year (in terms of strength of schedule, marquee games), especially since Nebraska is added to the mix. Of course, winning them all is the tricky part. If I had to lay money down, I'd say next season is our best chance.
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When TP was recruited, I recall seeing LJB writing that 2010 was looking like THE year.

I guess any year is as good as the next; however, I feel more strongly that 2010 was our year (and is now a lost opportunity). I don't say that begrudgingly. Just an impression.
 
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