Will JT Win Another NC at tOSU?

[MaliBuckeye]

That being said, I've never been a "National Championship or bust" fan. For me, a successful season is this:

1. Beat scUM
2. Win the Big Ten
3. BCS Bowl
4. Win 10 games

Anything after that is gravy.

Agreed. I'd like an "all of the above" option before I vote, but realistically Coach Tressel has met all of my expectations, in spades.

Represent the University and the State with class and excellence
Run a clean program (both from the NCAA and legal perspective)
Graduate players, or provide them the opportunity to get a job (go pro)
Influence players and others impacted by the program to be better people
Beat Michigan (1-11 is something I can live with, as long as that one win is the one that matters)

 

[kippy1040]

I think Ohio State will be thier 2 more times before he calls it quits. After all we have been there 3 times in his tenure and he still has the greatest respect from everyone. So many parents hold him in high esteem with great respect also. And i think thats a real plus for his future, however long that will be. Some have said that he could retire maybe even before the home & home schedule with Tennessee starting in 2015 or 2016.

 

[Esoteria]

I think Ohio State will be thier 2 more times before he calls it quits. After all we have been there 3 times in his tenure and he still has the greatest respect from everyone. So many parents hold him in high esteem with great respect also. And i think thats a real plus for his future, however long that will be. Some have said that he could retire maybe even before the home & home schedule with Tennessee starting in 2015 or 2016.

As consolation to everyone who thinks that Tressel can never win another NC 3 years removed from his last appearance in a title game, Ohio State has been in more BCS National Championship games than any other team in the BCS era. Love it.

 

[JBaney45]

As consolation to everyone who thinks that Tressel can never win another NC 3 years removed from his last appearance in a title game, Ohio State has been in more BCS National Championship games than any other team in the BCS era. Love it.

You're forgetting someone

 

[Esoteria]

You're forgetting someone

lol after looking it up apparently the BCS National Championship game is pretty exclusive ... my bad, but here's the stats ..

4 time appearance:
Oklahoma 1-3

3 time appearances include:
Florida State 1-2
Ohio State 1-2

2 time appearances include:
Southern Cal 1-1
Texas 1-1
Miami 1-1
LSU 2-0
Florida 2-0

 

[buckeyegrad]

lol after looking it up apparently the BCS National Championship game is pretty exclusive ... my bad, but here's the stats .. so we are tied for the most NC game appearances in the BCS era.

3 time appearances include:
Florida State 1-2
Oklahoma 1-2
Ohio State 1-2

2 time appearances include:
Southern Cal 1-1
Texas 1-1
Miami 1-1
LSU 2-0
Florida 2-0

Oklahoma has been in 4 BCS title games:

2000 beat Florida State
2003 lost to LSU
2004 lost to USC
2008 lost to Florida

 

[Esoteria]

Oklahoma has been in 4 BCS title games:

2000 beat Florida State
2003 lost to LSU
2004 lost to USC
2008 lost to Florida

You're right, the big ass disclaimer about Reggie Bush on the 2004 game info made me miss it ... lol.

 

[ScriptOhio]

I'm still deciding between options two and three, as I think that both are more or less equally applicable. If I knew that there was a clearly better coach out there, I might give option four some serious consideration, but none of the big name guys (Stoops, Meyer, Pelini, Saban, etc.) have anything over Tressel, and with anybody else, you're getting an unknown commodity - maybe you get the next Tressel or Meyer, maybe you get the next Charlie Weis....

I really don't think that JT will win another NC for many reasons - his age, his coaching style, the academic/character restrictions in place at Ohio State (largely implemented by JT himself), and the luck factor involved. Look back at 2002 for a minute. We all remember Holy Buckeye and the PI call, but there were at least ten, perhaps as many as fifteen, game-changing plays that year.

01. Cincinnati - dropped pass in endzone with :48 left in game (UC down by 4)
02. Cincinnati - second dropped pass in endzone with :37 left in game (UC down by 4)
03. Cincinnati - interception in endzone with :32 left in game (UC down by 4)
04. Wisconsin - interception in endzone with 7:09 left in game (UW down by 5)
05. Penn State - Gamble pick six (only TD; game-winning score)
06. Purdue - Holy Buckeye (only TD; game-winning score)
07. Purdue - interception at Ohio State 11-yard line with :51 left in game (Purdue down by 4)
08. Illinois - dropped pass in endzone in OT (Illinois down by 7)
09. Michigan - sack and strip with 2:02 left in game (UM down by 5)
10. Michigan - interception at goal line as time expired (UM down by 5)
11. Miami - 4th-and-14 (kept drive alive in first OT)
12. Miami - the PI call (kept drive alive in first OT)
13. Miami - Krenzel's TD in first OT (tied game)
14. Miami - Clarett's TD (game-winning score)
15. Miami - goal line stand in second OT (Miami down by 7)

Ohio State rolled "seven" on each of those fifteen plays; what are the odds of that happening? If the Buckeyes fail to make even one of those fifteen plays, then they very likely would not have won the NC in 2002; if they go 60-40 on those plays, then they probably lose three or four games. Even a great team needs a little bit of luck, but the Buckeyes had an inordinate amount in 2002. I doubt that we'll ever see a charmed team like that again.

Given that JT will not get another incredible string of luck, I just don't see him being able to win another NC with his coaching style. He doesn't have a cohesive offensive vision, he doesn't use his offense to attack the opposing defenses, and he has struggled to develop a ball-control passing attack. Also, for whatever reason, the line play on both sides of the ball has been suspect from 2004 to the present - maybe that has something to do with passivity as well.

Great post. In addition, a conference championship game starting next year decreases the chances of an undefeated season and/or even getting into the BCS Championship game.

To answer the question, the odds are stacked against tOSU after this year, so I voted "no"...but that's a soft "no". Could very well happen if JT has 4 years after this year and Braxton Miller is the real deal. Plus the stable of RBs we'll have the next few years. The OL future is a bit of a concern for me once the Brew Crew moves on. Defense might slip a bit next year, relatively speaking, but it always bounces back. That being said, I've never been a "National Championship or bust" fan. For me, a successful season is this:

1. Beat scUM
2. Win the Big Ten
3. BCS Bowl
4. Win 10 games

Anything after that is gravy.

I totally agree. I can only remember 2 undefeated seasons (1968 & 2002) in my lifetime; however I guess we were undefeated in 1954 too (I was just 6 then). Beat scUM, win the Big Ten, go to a BCS Bowl, and win 10 games are a realistic goal every year. And YES anything else like a BCS Championship is just "gravy."

:osu:

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I can only remember 2 undefeated seasons (1968 & 2002) in my lifetime; however I guess we were undefeated in 1954 too (I was just 6 then). Beat scUM, win the Big Ten, go to a BCS Bowl, and win 10 games are a realistic goal every year. And YES anything else like a BCS Championship is just "gravy."

:osu:

Well, 1961 (8-0-1) and 1973 (10-0-1) were also "undefeated" seasons, but they weren't "perfect" because of a tie.

Looks like you just missed out on the 1944 (9-0-0) perfect season, old timer....

 

[LitlBuck]

I highly doubt it for reasons that I have already been mentioned especially ones regarding his style of coaching. However, I do not like that terminology used in option 4 of the poll. "fired" is too strong of a word to be used with JT. Perhaps it should have been worded something like after JT leaves and another coach assumes his position.

I also think too many of the guys who have posted and have voted yes because what we have, as far as recruits, coming in the future. You also have to look at what other schools have coming in the future.

 

[Gatorubet]

I'm still deciding between options two and three, as I think that both are more or less equally applicable. If I knew that there was a clearly better coach out there, I might give option four some serious consideration, but none of the big name guys (Stoops, Meyer, Pelini, Saban, etc.) have anything over Tressel, and with anybody else, you're getting an unknown commodity - maybe you get the next Tressel or Meyer, maybe you get the next Charlie Weis....

I really don't think that JT will win another NC for many reasons - his age, his coaching style, the academic/character restrictions in place at Ohio State (largely implemented by JT himself), and the luck factor involved. Look back at 2002 for a minute. We all remember Holy Buckeye and the PI call, but there were at least ten, perhaps as many as fifteen, game-changing plays that year.

01. Cincinnati - dropped pass in endzone with :48 left in game (UC down by 4)
02. Cincinnati - second dropped pass in endzone with :37 left in game (UC down by 4)
03. Cincinnati - interception in endzone with :32 left in game (UC down by 4)
04. Wisconsin - interception in endzone with 7:09 left in game (UW down by 5)
05. Penn State - Gamble pick six (only TD; game-winning score)
06. Purdue - Holy Buckeye (only TD; game-winning score)
07. Purdue - interception at Ohio State 11-yard line with :51 left in game (Purdue down by 4)
08. Illinois - dropped pass in endzone in OT (Illinois down by 7)
09. Michigan - sack and strip with 2:02 left in game (UM down by 5)
10. Michigan - interception at goal line as time expired (UM down by 5)
11. Miami - 4th-and-14 (kept drive alive in first OT)
12. Miami - the PI call (kept drive alive in first OT)
13. Miami - Krenzel's TD in first OT (tied game)
14. Miami - Clarett's TD (game-winning score)
15. Miami - goal line stand in second OT (Miami down by 7)

Ohio State rolled "seven" on each of those fifteen plays; what are the odds of that happening? If the Buckeyes fail to make even one of those fifteen plays, then they very likely would not have won the NC in 2002; if they go 60-40 on those plays, then they probably lose three or four games. Even a great team needs a little bit of luck, but the Buckeyes had an inordinate amount in 2002. I doubt that we'll ever see a charmed team like that again.

Given that JT will not get another incredible string of luck, I just don't see him being able to win another NC with his coaching style. He doesn't have a cohesive offensive vision, he doesn't use his offense to attack the opposing defenses, and he has struggled to develop a ball-control passing attack. Also, for whatever reason, the line play on both sides of the ball has been suspect from 2004 to the present - maybe that has something to do with passivity as well.

G to the P to the A.

Like our 2006 season, which was like your 2002. We underwhelmed the whole season, and got lucky frequently. In the SC game Spurrier had a first down at the ten with seconds remaining, but it was called back for holding, a call that is always totally discretionary with refs. The next play was the "Cock Block" - and what are the odds of a blocked field goal to win the game? We needed a fumbled punt by Arkansas to win the SECCG. We trailed UT at half and were trailing in the 4th qtr when Tebow converted a crucial 4th down that led to Leak's winning score. You need a shit load of luck to be considered for one of those BCSNC thingies.

If you do not get a shot at one, it does not mean you do not have a great coach or a great program, just that you are good but not lucky.

 

[Wingate1217]

Sure JT can win another title....remember Woody won his first in '54, and another in '57 then it took over a decade for him to win the next one ('68).

Of course I am discounting the '61 season in which he could have won another if the administration had let him go to the Rose Bowl that year....

Point is it has been the length of time yet, and JT has knocked on the door a couple of times since his first. I think a crystal ball will answer his knocking one more time before he hangs it up.....

 

[MightbeaBuck]

LJB didn't give us the option I would have chose:

It doesn't matter, we need to keep him because since he's been here, he's put us in more BCS games than any other school (7, tied with USC). We need to keep him because since he's been here, he's put us in more National Championship games than any other school (3, tied with Oklahoma). We need to keep him because, even when the other team is favored, he whips Michigan.

We average a National Championship game every three years. You don't have to be a Buckeye fan to know he's a keeper.

Where are the comments from the people who voted: No, so it's time to fire him and hire some one who will win it all. ???

 

[RugbyBuck]

Yes, next year.

 

[TDunk]

Where are the comments from the people who voted: No, so it's time to fire him and hire some one who will win it all. ???

My guess is those would be the scUM fans that frequent the site. :tongue2: