Will JT Win Another NC at tOSU?

[GoodLifeSean]

Near perfection and constant striving is acceptable to me.

I dread the day people forget how incredibly lucky we are and start to make it all unravel.

On that day deety the secret Buckeye Militia must take up arms and defend the honor of the honor. Shit rest of country not supposed to know. Gator, woof, others you know nothing.

 

[Colvinnl]

Frankly I just don't believe that winning national championships is the barometer by which we should measure a coach's success...but having said that I find it hard to believe he won't win another one while at OSU. The deck will always be stacked against OSU and JT given past results and mesia perception but if they continue to win Big 10 championships, eventually the Bucks will have that magic season like in 2002.

I am not sure howm much having the deck stacked against us matters. (see this year: started ranked # 2, assumed #1 ranking). A combination of talent, coaching and chemistry will overcome any media bias.

 

[scooter1369]

I voted "no, great ambassador"

Jim Tressel is not just a football coach, but a builder of men. He uses football and faith to take in kids and make them men.

Will every guy leaving here get a crack at the NFL? no.
Will every guy leaving here win a Nobel prize? no.

Will every player that commits to Jim Tressel and Ohio State leave here a better man, person and citizen? Damn skippy

Jim Tressel may not win another title. But he will continue to run a clean program, that wins with grace, loses with dignity, and plays to win within the rules of the game. He will win 10 or 11 games every year, compete for Big Ten titles, beat Michigan, and not lose to teams that shouldn't even be on the field with the Buckeyes (James Madison, App State, Jacksonville State).

For all my frustrations with watching the offense sputter and stall, the special teams for giving up big plays and a loss to Bucky that made me physically ill, There is no one I would rather have running the Ohio State Football Program than Senator Jim Tressel.

 

[Esoteria]

I'm not really sure how our fans ever came to expect that we win National Championships quite regularly. Ohio State has 7 total National Championships. That's 1 every 17 years.

 

[BUCKYLE]

If I decide to leave my unborn child on someones door step, it will be James Patrick Tressel's.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I voted No but great ambassador.

Honestly it keeps me awake at night thinking of who might replace him. I believe he can not be replaced as a head coach, ambassador. He makes me very proud to be a Buckeye Alum even in a burnt orange (mostly cause them there front runners *Lebitch*) & maroon. I love the fact the cares about the players are more than wins and loses, I love that recruits want to come here because they believe he and the staff will make them better people.... I love that, that said, his loyality to Bollman kills me.. I don't want a spread offense coach, give me a Pro style attack, screw the fads, give me what works in the pros and what players will play in the Pros.

 

[Saw31]

I am just amazed at how many highly touted recruits we land that turn out to be average players. I believe JT's loyalty to certain people hinder the development of players. Sometimes, I have a hard time understanding his recruiting philosophy. For example, Smith and Zwick. Two very different types of quarterbacks, two different styles of offense.

The problem with that philosophy is that 25 or so other teams get those same types of recruits. Not every recruit is going to set the world on fire. That's just the way it is. I'm sure we could roll off a hundred 5 star recruits in very short order that never did a thing, or did very little at other schools.

 

[JBaney45]

Sigh, well the truth is this year was probably our best shot on paper before the injuries and unexplainable special teams problems. It is only going to get tougher with the addition of Nebraska and the Big Ten championship game in terms of trying to run the table. If we somehow got a playoff system I think we might honestly have a better shot, Tressel's teams seem to improve dramatically and play their best ball in November. I only see him coaching until about 2014 though, so the chances of getting a playoff in that time are rather slim.

However people forget that National Championships are not what the team is built on, in 120 years of football we have a grand total of 7. You don't make coaching decisions solely on the idea of winning National Championships.

If there's anything that's happened in Tressel's tenure is that we've been a bit emotionally spoiled, the Big Ten championship almost comes easy and without fanfare, so much to the point that I have seen people actually say they are ROOTING for Sparty to win out and make the NC, despite the fact that that would mean we'd have no shot to get back into the Big Ten championship race, that is ABSURD. Basically we've just achieved so much the fan base is naturally going to set there aspirations higher, sometimes losing perspective.

In Tressel's 9 years that have been completed we've won 6 Big Ten titles, that's the same amount that we won in the TWENTY years before that. We've beaten Michigan 8 times, the same amount as in the 25 year span before that (Thanks Coop).

College football isn't just about winning national championships. It takes a lot of luck to win it under the current system and it's kind of a farce. Try explaining to someone that's never been exposed to college football how a champion can be crowned by playing only 12 or 13 of 119 teams and then just selecting 2 at the end to have a shot to play for a championship. Our "national" championship leaves out most of the regions of the country every year. Boise State and/or TCU possibly making the NC with their schedule is only an exaggerated instance of what's wrong with the system. The BCS makes for a lot of entertainment, particularly during the regular season, but as long as we have that system you have to accept that crowning a legit national champion is not the #1 priority under said system, so make that the begin all end all of how you judge a coach is rather ridiculous.

 

[craigblitz]

This is a fantastic thread and well thought out question. Great Job Man!

 

[muffler dragon]

I am just amazed at how many highly touted recruits we land that turn out to be average players.

I'm amazed at the number of lower star-ranked players that JT turns into All-Americans and NFL-caliber players.

Ask me again after TCU beats Boise in the NC game this year and an emergency playoff is instituted.

I've often thought about this. I do wonder if JT would absolutely own a NC playoff due to his YSU success.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I say yes.... and prolly this year

 

[Bleed S & G]

It seems when it comes down to it and the season is on the line, Jim Tressel's offenses aren't good enough.

Couldn't disagree more.. not sayin Jt's offenses are world-beaters.. I think the problem is with the silver bullets & Heacock.

Bowl game against Texas? Defense gave up the game winning drive.
USC? They marched 90 yards down the field to win.
Wisconsin this past week - It was 18-21 in the 4th quarter and our D choked again.

There are more examples but you guys get my point.

I dread the day people forget how incredibly lucky we are and start to make it all unravel.

I agree 100%.





For the record, I voted yes.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I'm still deciding between options two and three, as I think that both are more or less equally applicable. If I knew that there was a clearly better coach out there, I might give option four some serious consideration, but none of the big name guys (Stoops, Meyer, Pelini, Saban, etc.) have anything over Tressel, and with anybody else, you're getting an unknown commodity - maybe you get the next Tressel or Meyer, maybe you get the next Charlie Weis....

I really don't think that JT will win another NC for many reasons - his age, his coaching style, the academic/character restrictions in place at Ohio State (largely implemented by JT himself), and the luck factor involved. Look back at 2002 for a minute. We all remember Holy Buckeye and the PI call, but there were at least ten, perhaps as many as fifteen, game-changing plays that year.

01. Cincinnati - dropped pass in endzone with :48 left in game (UC down by 4)
02. Cincinnati - second dropped pass in endzone with :37 left in game (UC down by 4)
03. Cincinnati - interception in endzone with :32 left in game (UC down by 4)
04. Wisconsin - interception in endzone with 7:09 left in game (UW down by 5)
05. Penn State - Gamble pick six (only TD; game-winning score)
06. Purdue - Holy Buckeye (only TD; game-winning score)
07. Purdue - interception at Ohio State 11-yard line with :51 left in game (Purdue down by 4)
08. Illinois - dropped pass in endzone in OT (Illinois down by 7)
09. Michigan - sack and strip with 2:02 left in game (UM down by 5)
10. Michigan - interception at goal line as time expired (UM down by 5)
11. Miami - 4th-and-14 (kept drive alive in first OT)
12. Miami - the PI call (kept drive alive in first OT)
13. Miami - Krenzel's TD in first OT (tied game)
14. Miami - Clarett's TD (game-winning score)
15. Miami - goal line stand in second OT (Miami down by 7)

Ohio State rolled "seven" on each of those fifteen plays; what are the odds of that happening? If the Buckeyes fail to make even one of those fifteen plays, then they very likely would not have won the NC in 2002; if they go 60-40 on those plays, then they probably lose three or four games. Even a great team needs a little bit of luck, but the Buckeyes had an inordinate amount in 2002. I doubt that we'll ever see a charmed team like that again.

Given that JT will not get another incredible string of luck, I just don't see him being able to win another NC with his coaching style. He doesn't have a cohesive offensive vision, he doesn't use his offense to attack the opposing defenses, and he has struggled to develop a ball-control passing attack. Also, for whatever reason, the line play on both sides of the ball has been suspect from 2004 to the present - maybe that has something to do with passivity as well.

 

[JBaney45]

Couldn't disagree more.. not sayin Jt's offenses are world-beaters.. I think the problem is with the silver bullets & Heacock.

Bowl game against Texas? Defense gave up the game winning drive.
USC? They marched 90 yards down the field to win.
Wisconsin this past week - It was 18-21 in the 4th quarter and our D choked again.

USC=defense was on the field the whole damn game, no defense can hold up when your O can't possess the ball, you don't beat many teams scoring 15 points in college football, especially when the O basically gave them a touchdown early (The Pryor int that was returned to the 2).


Texas=defense kept us in the game the entire time, our offense didn't wake up till the 4th quarter.

Wisconsin was all around not good yeah, our offense still squandered scoring opportunities, (settling for 3 inside the 10, getting NO points off of the Sweat interception etc).


Our defense bails us out of games all the time though, our O rarely if ever does the same in the past couple of years.

 

[ScottsdaleBucki]

If I decide to leave my unborn child on someones door step, it will be James Patrick Tressel's.

I hope you meant new born.