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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
I don't think he'll win another one, and for me the reason is a combination of I suspect that he won't coach that many more years (just nuggets you read here and there, nothing concrete) and there are simply too many factors all of which must come together to win a championship. On the latter point, you not only have to be incredibly good to even make it to the NC game, but you have to be incredibly lucky as well. And then you have to find a way to beat an outstanding opponent once you get to the NC game.
Under the BCS system, one loss (i.e., one bad day) pretty much takes you out of the mix. As an example (hopefully this won't come off as sour grapes, but it is the first game that came to mind because it just took place), I'm not convinced that Wisconsin is a better team than OSU (i.e., that they'd beat OSU if the teams played on a neutral field). I don't want to get into all the reasons as to why I think that, but my point is that you can have an off night or an unlucky night, and your NC chances are gone. You also have to be lucky in the sense that your conference can't be that good, which is why I think Oregon has a great shot to make it to the NC game this year--there simply aren't any really good teams in the Pac-10.
Under the BCS system, one loss (i.e., one bad day) pretty much takes you out of the mix. As an example (hopefully this won't come off as sour grapes, but it is the first game that came to mind because it just took place), I'm not convinced that Wisconsin is a better team than OSU (i.e., that they'd beat OSU if the teams played on a neutral field). I don't want to get into all the reasons as to why I think that, but my point is that you can have an off night or an unlucky night, and your NC chances are gone. You also have to be lucky in the sense that your conference can't be that good, which is why I think Oregon has a great shot to make it to the NC game this year--there simply aren't any really good teams in the Pac-10.
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Saw31
High Seas Rogue
I've always believed that all you can do is put yourself in a position to play in the game (top 5 or so in the polls starting November). Tress does that nearly every year. Then it becomes a roll of the dice. Sooner or later (if he stays long enough) the dice will come up in our favor. It still can this year...So yes, he will win another.
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Poe McKnoe
Head Coach
DaBears;1796150; said:
I voted that there's no one better. There's no one else that can consistently win at a high level. Jim Tressel is the linear regression of other top coaches. He's consistent returns in a market of flucuation.
Les Miles is a second tier coach compared to Jim Tressel but the one area where Miles beats Tressel isn't what you call luck, it's risk. Miles lives and dies by taking risks. Miles takes risks that have 50% chance of succeeding or 5% chance of succeeding. Too much risk will kill you, but so will too much conservatism. They are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Sometimes the stars align and everything works out, like 2002 and 2007 respectively.
I don't think talent is standing between the Buckeyes and another national championship. I think it's play calling and execution. On both sides of the ball. I don't think the players have the extra drive to get an extra yard or explode off the ball when they need to. They do what they've been trained to do and not an ounce more. Call it lack of explosiveness, call it lack of desire, call it what you want. The offense, in particular, always seems to be a bunch of players doing their thing, and not a cohesive unit. The blocking isn't there, the route running isn't there, the execution isn't there. Jim Tressel doesn't trust his offense to perform and it shows.
Who's better? No one. It may be blasphemy, but I like what Harbaugh brings to Stanford. I think Ohio State should pick him up before Michigan gets a hold of him. Guess what, his team just lost to Oregon. You know whose team beat Oregon? Jim Tressel's. With Tresselball.
I'd can Bollman and make him the scapegoat for an underperforming offense and offensive line and hand over playcalling to a new guy. Is it that simple? No, look at the skill players the Hurricanes have and they've got an NFL O coordinator, to little avail. If you're going to play smashmouth football, be good at smashmouth football. If you want to spread it out, be good at spreading it out. If you want to be good at both, be good at it. It seems when it comes down to it and the season is on the line, Jim Tressel's offenses aren't good enough.
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UpNorthBuckeye;1796161; said:
This is the question I have to answer first before answering the one posed in this thread. If Tressel stays another 10 years or so, I believe he would get one more as he is going to have us in the lead pack each year, and one of them will have to work out for us.
However, if he only stays 3-5 more years then I don't know if he gets one or not. (I've heard it said that this may be the case, primarily hinted at by Bill King on Rivals Radio.) Tressel turns 58 in December, so I could see him going either way. I can't see him being like Paterno or Bowden and staying into his 70s. But whether he goes into his early 60s or late 60s is hard to determine. Probably depends on whether or not he still thinks he has something to offer the kids he's coaching and whether or not another title comes.
Regardless, unless there is a multiple-year crash of the program (i.e. three consecutive losses to scUm and consecutive seasons with 4-5 losses or more), he has earned the right to stay as OSU's coach until he is ready to go.
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Saw31
High Seas Rogue
buckeyegrad;1796175; said:
I have been convinced since his time at YSU that he will retire from coaching when he is able to move into the AD position. I don't think he wants to coach into his 70's, but I do think he wants to be involved with the athletes and students that long...
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Saw31;1796177; said:
This raises the very interesting question of who Tressel would want as his successor.
I don't know if we could get Pelini away from Nebraska, but whenever the time comes, I hope we make a play for him.
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t_BuckeyeScott
Hall of Fame
I think this is the issue. I like Pelini allright, but I'm not sure about him as a national championship coach. I honestly can't answer who OSU could conceivably hire that would match Tressel's success let alone succeed it.
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RockstarBuckeye
Go Bucks!!
I voted no, but a Great Ambassador.
I am just amazed at how many highly touted recruits we land that turn out to be average players. I believe JT's loyalty to certain people hinder the development of players. Sometimes, I have a hard time understanding his recruiting philosophy. For example, Smith and Zwick. Two very different types of quarterbacks, two different styles of offense.
JT's play calling this year has been aggressive, but how long before we see the conservative side? His unwillingness to change is what will keep our beloved team from another NC. For now, wouldn't want any other coach. I will take a win over Michigan and a B10 Championship. If we get a shot at the NC game, so be it. That is enough to keep most fans happy.
I am just amazed at how many highly touted recruits we land that turn out to be average players. I believe JT's loyalty to certain people hinder the development of players. Sometimes, I have a hard time understanding his recruiting philosophy. For example, Smith and Zwick. Two very different types of quarterbacks, two different styles of offense.
JT's play calling this year has been aggressive, but how long before we see the conservative side? His unwillingness to change is what will keep our beloved team from another NC. For now, wouldn't want any other coach. I will take a win over Michigan and a B10 Championship. If we get a shot at the NC game, so be it. That is enough to keep most fans happy.
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Ask me again after TCU beats Boise in the NC game this year and an emergency playoff is instituted.
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Oops! My bad. I edited the poll question to match the thread title.Zander42;1796153; said:
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
I voted "yes" just because I'm the kind of fan who predicts 13-0 seasons every year, but also because with the success we've had recruiting and Tressel's history of winning championships it seems like the dice have to roll in our favor one of these years.
But I'm with wadc in questioning whether NCs are a fair barometer for a coach. I spent 25 years of my life without knowing what an OSU NC felt like, and there were still a lot of pretty great times as a fan during that time. Even if 2002 ends up being the only OSU NC of my lifetime, and of Tressel's career in Columbus, I expect to go to my grave knowing he was the best possible coach for his time here (and maybe ever). Tressel does things the right way, has an enormously positive influence on his players and the University, and wins a heck of a lot of ball games. NCs are rare, but so are coaches like JT.
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But I'm with wadc in questioning whether NCs are a fair barometer for a coach. I spent 25 years of my life without knowing what an OSU NC felt like, and there were still a lot of pretty great times as a fan during that time. Even if 2002 ends up being the only OSU NC of my lifetime, and of Tressel's career in Columbus, I expect to go to my grave knowing he was the best possible coach for his time here (and maybe ever). Tressel does things the right way, has an enormously positive influence on his players and the University, and wins a heck of a lot of ball games. NCs are rare, but so are coaches like JT.
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