Who will be tOSU's head coach on July 1, 2012? (betting closed)

[bucknut502]

If Ohio State wins out he will have truely pulled off an amazing turn around...loaded with young talent yes...Urban had tons of young talent when he went 7-5 and how the fk does Texas win 5 games last year...give me a break he was handed a team mired in scandle losing key players,with a staff he did not put together.....I feel like some folks just started following Ohio State right around 2002

See, you guys keep saying ?wins out? which tells me that all you care about is winning...I love when Ohio State wins as much as any Buckeye fan but we NEED someone that knows how to run a program, not just win some games. This past offseason was miserable! My opinion, and I am entitled to that, is that Fick is just not ready. Like I said, there is so much more to being a head coach at the college level than just knowing the game and/or winning games. However, I am not opposed to Fick at all after he proves himself. One year at Ohio State does not prove anything IMO.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

See, you guys keep saying ?wins out? which tells me that all you care about is winning...I love when Ohio State wins as much as any Buckeye fan but we NEED someone that knows how to run a program, not just win some games. This past offseason was miserable! My opinion, and I am entitled to that, is that Fick is just not ready. Like I said, there is so much more to being a head coach at the college level than just knowing the game and/or winning games. However, I am not opposed to Fick at all after he proves himself. One year at Ohio State does not prove anything IMO.

That was the question that sparked the conversation....IF he wins out...we are discussing a hypothetical...odds are He will not win out because of the reasons you are stating as to why he should not be hired...


as to caring about winning...for me yeah thats what I want..without cheating and while graduating players...i'm pretty sure thats what many college football fans want

 

[stowfan]

TBH, I think if Fickel had a top shelf offensive coordinator we would be seeing an entirely different product this year.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

But he will have FBS head coaching experience at the end of the season. I understand your point about inexperience, but that applies less and less the more games he coaches. You have to look at how he progresses and draw the conclusion at the end of the season. It's too late at this point to discount him simply because of early inexperience.

People forget this fact. At the end of this year people will still consider him a defensive coordinator. They will think that a coach with three years and a .500 record at Toledo a better candidate for the Ohio State position than someone with one year and a winning record as an Ohio State head coach.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

See, you guys keep saying ?wins out? which tells me that all you care about is winning...I love when Ohio State wins as much as any Buckeye fan but we NEED someone that knows how to run a program, not just win some games. This past offseason was miserable! My opinion, and I am entitled to that, is that Fick is just not ready. Like I said, there is so much more to being a head coach at the college level than just knowing the game and/or winning games. However, I am not opposed to Fick at all after he proves himself. One year at Ohio State does not prove anything IMO.

What did Fickell do that was so bad this past offseason?

 

[Taosman]

I wonder if Vanderbilt coach James Franklin would be a possibility in a coaching search? There are some ties between Vandy and OSU.

 

[ant80]

HAHA!

If Gene Smith hires Luke Fickell as Head Coach at THE Ohio State University, one of the top 2 or 3 jobs in the country, that would be his dumbest move yet...Don't get me wrong, I love Fick as a DC, but some of the top coaches in the country would be knocking down the doors to get the job! And you don't think that Heacock had a lot to do with our defense being in the top 10? The way he handled the QB situation was absolutely horrible! I just don't see hiring an unproven head coach when you could have just about anyone you want. Even with the suspensions, Ohio State is LOADED with talent and should not be 4-3!

There is danger in thinking this way. Just because we are a top10 team doesn't mean everybody is going to be "knocking down doors to get the job." Look at what happened at Michigan in 2008. I've been following reviews of the book "3 and out" and Martin took it easy thinking the exact same thing, only to be bit in the ass with it. Just because we are a top10 school doesn't mean shit! You've got to get dirty and offer pays similar to what 'Bama's offered. Not just wait for the doors to be knocked out. And when you are faced with the choices, it is seldom a list of 20 candidates, as Martin said. It is usually just a few on the wish list, and some of them don't even want to be in the running.

See, you guys keep saying ?wins out? which tells me that all you care about is winning...I love when Ohio State wins as much as any Buckeye fan but we NEED someone that knows how to run a program, not just win some games. This past offseason was miserable! My opinion, and I am entitled to that, is that Fick is just not ready. Like I said, there is so much more to being a head coach at the college level than just knowing the game and/or winning games. However, I am not opposed to Fick at all after he proves himself. One year at Ohio State does not prove anything IMO.

What did Fickell do that was so bad this past offseason?

This. And you would be hard pressed to find someone who would've handled this better. Actually, tell me someone who would've handled the off season better. I can't think of anybody that would've handled this better.

 

[Piney]

But he will have FBS head coaching experience at the end of the season. I understand your point about inexperience, but that applies less and less the more games he coaches. You have to look at how he progresses and draw the conclusion at the end of the season. It's too late at this point to discount him simply because of early inexperience.

This is the point some people are missing. Fickel IS learning on the job. IF he turns this team around and wins out then Fickel will have shown improvement as a head coach (or at least should to be able to win out). Yes he made mistakes early in the year, but if he wins out, then he would have learned from those mistakes which is key for a guy learning on the job. And doing so with one hand tied behind his back by having an offensive coaching staff that might not fit his wants as a head coach because he took the job too late to make any changes he would have wanted to make.

And when I say win out, I am not counting the Rose Bowl. Because I think if Fickel wins out and get to the Rose Bowl as the Big Ten Champs, then the outcome of that game SHOULD NOT determine whether we are keeping him or not.

 

[Buckeye86]

Actually, tell me someone who would've handled the off season better. I can't think of anybody that would've handled this better.

Winston Churchill?

 

[bassbuckeye07]

There is danger in thinking this way. Just because we are a top10 team doesn't mean everybody is going to be "knocking down doors to get the job." Look at what happened at Michigan in 2008. I've been following reviews of the book "3 and out" and Martin took it easy thinking the exact same thing, only to be bit in the ass with it. Just because we are a top10 school doesn't mean shit! You've got to get dirty and offer pays similar to what 'Bama's offered. Not just wait for the doors to be knocked out. And when you are faced with the choices, it is seldom a list of 20 candidates, as Martin said. It is usually just a few on the wish list, and some of them don't even want to be in the running. This. And you would be hard pressed to find someone who would've handled this better. Actually, tell me someone who would've handled the off season better. I can't think of anybody that would've handled this better.

Somthing I posted in the GS thread you may be interested in

I have a buddy in the MBA program thats taking Gene Smiths class right now...he said he is very up front about much of whaat has been going on...one thing he stated was do not believe anything you hear right now because the agenda machine is churning and everyone has one including Ohio State. Which was refreshing to hear because it seems my beloved alma mater has had their thumb up their ass for much of this.


interestingly he stated that Michigan struck out 5 times in their coaching searches mainly because of wanting to dictate assistants and not pay like some of the SEC schools pay for staff....he said "if" Ohio State were to conduct a coaching search those constraints would not be placed on "our guy"...my friend made it seem that this is why Penn State would have an up hill battle to land an Urban...he also stated (according to my buddy) that they have budgeted quite a large sum for staff moving forward even though this year overhead for the coaching staff is low

take it for what its worth and all that...but nothing earth shattering just interesting

I agree with you though that thinking coaches would be willing to beat down doors to come here with out paying for a full staff is foolish...as well as any crippling penalties

 

[MaxBuck]

This coaching search has nothing to do with "who would have handled the mess of January-May 2011 best." It has to do with "who is best equipped to return the Buckeyes to National Championship contention." Period, end of story.

We're not handing out Certificates of Participation here. This is Football at the Highest Level. If you can't perform, step aside for someone who can.

 

[Apache]

Should be coach Fickell. He has done a good job saddled with a staff he didn't form, numerous suspensions, and so many naysayers around the program.

 

[buckeyebri]

It will be interesting to see how the team handles the opportunity to be back in the B10 race on Saturday. Can Fick and the staff get this team ready for what is undoubtedly going to be a fired up Wisconsin team?

IMHO Fick has at least two strikes against him. One being the handling of the QB situation. The second being the debacle that was the Nebraska game. This is ignoring the horrible performances against MSU and Miami. If this team is not ready to go on Saturday after a week off and we get dominated by Wiscy, I see no way that Fick is retained as the HC.

If Fick can win out, then I think he is still a contender for the position. That being said, I don't think it guarantees him anything.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

IMHO Fick has at least two strikes against him. One being the handling of the QB situation. The second being the debacle that was the Nebraska game. This is ignoring the horrible performances against MSU and Miami. If this team is not ready to go on Saturday after a week off and we get dominated by Wiscy, I see no way that Fick is retained as the HC.

I didn't see the Nebraska game. After Miller got hurt, what was Fickell's best option. What could Fickell have done differently with Bauserman as the QB that could have won that game? Besides putting Guiton as the #2 after the Miami game.

 

[jwinslow]

for a playcaller as stubborn and predictable as Bollman, he sure does abandon the wildcat set after it works nicely for 1-2 plays a game.

it certainly works far better than most of their transparent running plays.

now that boom is back as another ball Carrier, and the most effective wildcat back, I hope to see more of that if Braxton needs to heal for a few series