Who will be tOSU's head coach on July 1, 2012? (betting closed)

[buckeyebri]

I didn't see the Nebraska game. After Miller got hurt, what was Fickell's best option. What could Fickell have done differently with Bauserman as the QB that could have won that game? Besides putting Guiton as the #2 after the Miami game.

At Nebraska, he could have continued to run the ball and burned clock just like at Illinois. It didn't matter that Baus was at QB, in fact it may have helped a little knowing that there was more of a tendency to throw with Baus in.

 

[Woody1968]

At Nebraska, he could have continued to run the ball and burned clock just like at Illinois. It didn't matter that Baus was at QB, in fact it may have helped a little knowing that there was more of a tendency to throw with Baus in.

I tend to put this more on Bollman

 

[buckeyebri]

I tend to put this more on Bollman

I don't disagree with this and was just responding to the question. If you go back though in the thread, my original statement was that I believe this game has an impact on Fick becoming head coach...He is ultimately responsible...

 

[Woody1968]

I didn't see the Nebraska game. After Miller got hurt, what was Fickell's best option. What could Fickell have done differently with Bauserman as the QB that could have won that game? Besides putting Guiton as the #2 after the Miami game.

I completely understand why Baus was #2 going into the Nebraska game after the MSU game.

I am not convinced that our record would be any better had JT been HC this season. I am, however, convinced that all of our losses were winnable games had Boom and Posey been eligible to play.

The only real criticism I have with Luke's coaching so far is the end of the Miami game when he didn't call timeouts. He was probably advised to rely on his experienced staff while he gets a feel for the HC position. I would probably have told him the same thing. Now I think it is time for him to take more control over the offensive gameplan, if things aren't working.

 

[Woody1968]

I don't disagree with this and was just responding to the question. If you go back though in the thread, my original statement was that I believe this game has an impact on Fick becoming head coach...He is ultimately responsible...

Maybe it will, but Wisconsin is a good team and we are really hurting at WR. I think that if it is a blowout loss where we look inept, it will have a negative impact, but if we win, or even play solid in a loss, it won't reflect that badly on him, as long as the game is well coached and managed. Wisconsin is definately the toughest team we will have played so far. Of course, I believe we can win this game too, but like I said earlier, we have to look at the whole season when we evaluate where Luke stands as a coach.

As to the Nebraska game, yes, we certainly should have run more later in the game to kill the clock. Like I said, I put this more on JB, but I agree that going forward, Luke needs to recognize when to say "enough of this shit, let's kill the clock."

 

[buckeyebri]

I am not convinced that our record would be any better had JT been HC this season. I am, however, convinced that all of our losses were winnable games had Boom and Posey been eligible to play.

Wouldn't it be great if we could have a crystal ball on this...I tend to lean the other way and believe if JT was head coach his experience would have us at no worse than one loss right now even considering the personnel issues. MSU out schemed and out played us and even with that I am not convinced this is a loss under JT, other than that, I think we win Miami and Nebraska.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Wouldn't it be great if we could have a crystal ball on this...I tend to lean the other way and believe if JT was head coach his experience would have us at no worse than one loss right now even considering the personnel issues. MSU out schemed and out played us and even with that I am not convinced this is a loss under JT, other than that, I think we win Miami and Nebraska.

I agree with your statement that if we had a better play caller we would be in a better situation now.

 

[GrizzlyBuck]

for a playcaller as stubborn and predictable as Bollman, he sure does abandon the wildcat set after it works nicely for 1-2 plays a game.

it certainly works far better than most of their transparent running plays.

now that boom is back as another ball Carrier, and the most effective wildcat back, I hope to see more of that if Braxton needs to heal for a few series

Agree JWins, Hall also has shown an ability to throw the ball a bit, so defenses have to respect that to some degree, versus knowing with certainty that out of the Wildcat, tOSU runs. The Wildcat with Hall and Boom for a while for Brax to recover, beats completed passes to the crowd in my IMO

 

[bucknut502]

I tend to put this more on Bollman

I agree. But in any business, there are consequences for failure and a boss (head coach) has to take action. I see coaches dismissing coordinators all the time. If I suck at my job, I would be fired! If I don't, the the boss' head is on the chopping block. Tress got away with it because he called plays and Hazell called plays.

 

[stowfan]

If Fickell wins out, which I personally think is a very tall order, he would then have an entirely different resume to put on the table.:)

 

[Oh8ch]

IMO Fickell has missed his opportunity - if he ever had one.

If you want a long term contract to coach OSU - and we have to finish the recruiting season with a coach under long term contract - you need to have clearly established yourself as a viable candidate. For a job like OSU that includes demonstration of success in a similar position at another school.

A six game winning streak (driving Jim Tressel's race car) is not a substitute for that requirement.

There is a long list of schools that meet the following criteria:

1. Successful program under an established coach.
2. Unproven assistant promoted to replace outgoing coach.
3. School continues success for one or two seasons.
4. School tanks.

We are Ohio State. You don't do your on the job training at Ohio State.

It is one thing to wonder if someone will be successful as HC. It is another to wonder if they are capable of it.

 

[CHU]

Another primer. Really just a re-hash of a past story/article from Athlon Sports (just updating records and adding Lovie Smith).

http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/ohio-state-coaching-search

Ohio State is expected to be one of the top coaching jobs open at the end of the season. Interim coach Luke Fickell has guided the Buckeyes to a 4-3 record, but this program expects to be contending for Big Ten titles. Ohio State has a young roster, along with the black cloud of a NCAA investigation and potential sanctions. Fickell's chances of keeping the full-time job in 2012 likely depend on winning the final five games this season.

If the job comes open as expected, Ohio State will generate a ton of interest from candidates, even with potential sanctions from the NCAA.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Substitute "we are Michigan" for "we are Ohio State" and a lot of these posts could have come from the greater Ann Arbor area a few years ago.

Here's a beautiful part of all of this: Fickell is available to continue. We don't have to rely on Gene Smith pulling a rabbit out of his hat and landing Urban Meyer, and failing that end up stuck with our own RichRod. Smith can strike out a dozen times, get told "no, I want to watch my daughter play volleyball" or "golly gee, mister...that's a great offer, but I'm super gosh-darned happy right here in good ol' Boise" and we still have a coach.

We can take a run at a lot of guys, knowing that the option of keeping Luke exists. Maybe even get crazy and call Les Miles or Nick Saban. There's no great rush.

So that's a win-win. Fickell has had some rough moments (Miami, Nebraska) and may have some more, but he still has a shot to get this team to a B1G title game, or even yet another conference championship under some pretty adverse conditions and saddled with a sub-par offensive staff that's not of his own choosing. Lots of coaches would have lost this team this year.

That said, I don't think he can "win" the job at this point, barring perhaps a Rose Bowl berth and victory. If he stays on for a longer term contract, it's probably more due to striking out with our top candidates.

Once past the top four or five no-brainer candidates, do you take Beckman at Toledo over Fickell? I am not so sure about that. There's a line somewhere and I'm not sure where it is. I still think Brady Hoke was a massive reach for Michigan, and I wouldn't want to see us hire someone from the outside who has that kind of resume. Even a single mediocre season at Ohio State is more proven-by-fire than five average years in the MAC, in my IMO.

 

[brodybuck21]

Been kicking this around in casual conversation but what is the Board's thoughts on Dantonio or Beckman being possible replacements if we dont get Meyer or retain Luke? Honestly i wouldnt be too mad if we had either one but if I had to choose id go with Dantonio. Born in Ohio, coached here and is a Tressel disciple (so to speak).

 

[jlb1705]

Been kicking this around in casual conversation but what is the Board's thoughts on Dantonio or Beckman being possible replacements if we dont get Meyer or retain Luke? Honestly i wouldnt be too mad if we had either one but if I had to choose id go with Dantonio. Born in Ohio, coached here and is a Tressel disciple (so to speak).

I think Dantonio has found a home in East Lansing. I think if Ohio State came calling he'd decline. I know some people will take exception to the very idea that somebody might value another Big Ten job over Ohio State, but he can win games and the occasional title there and only face a fraction of the scrutiny and pressure that he'd face in Columbus. Sure, he has Ohio State ties - his ties to MSU are stronger though. He has a good gig, why ruin it?

Plus there's there's that thing with his ticker. If people think Urban Meyer is a risk, what should we think about Dantonio?