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What's Wrong With the 2013 Defense?

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What's Wrong With the 2013 Defense?

  • Talent / Players

    Votes: 29 11.8%

  • Scheme / Coaching

    Votes: 127 51.8%

  • Both are substandard

    Votes: 71 29.0%

  • Neither - B1G offenses are unstoppable

    Votes: 10 4.1%

  • I don't care - just fire Fickell!

    Votes: 8 3.3%
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Did anyone else notice the receiver streaking down the field wide open on the pick by Barnett? From the end zone view, you can see CJ cheating. He reads the pass to the short route well, but if Cook had looked a little further, then it would have been another touchdown.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Using your logic, the coaching staff should be able to come up with a successful scheme for Melvin Fellows (5*), Dorian Bell (5*), Dominic Clarke (4*), Jamie Wood (4*), Scott McVey (4*), Jamel Turner (4*), DerJuan Gambrell (4*), Kenny Hayes (4*), David Perkins (4*), Se'von Pittman (4*), Najee Murray (4*), and Jeremy Cash (3*).
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That's not using my logic at all. All of the guys I mentioned are still active players on the team. Players who are no longer on the team are irrelevant to my argument.

My point is that all in all there is plenty of talent to at least have a decent defense. I'm not saying we have Doss and Winfield and Springs on the team right now, no one is arguing that, but you cant tell me that all of the guys mentioned earlier aren't any good...
 
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Something I think isn't being taken into account is the overall attitude/philosophy of the HC. I don't believe for a second that Urban doesn't care about the D, but I also think he believes that as long as they're winning, it's not something that requires his full attention. He's an offensive mind. I think he feels defensive woes can be fixed/hidden/compensated for by scoring more.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
Something I think isn't being taken into account is the overall attitude/philosophy of the HC. I don't believe for a second that Urban doesn't care about the D, but I also think he believes that as long as they're winning, it's not something that requires his full attention. He's an offensive mind. I think he feels defensive woes can be fixed/hidden/compensated for by scoring more.
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I agree with most of this. I've said several times in the past two years that Meyer is the anti-Tressel in a lot of ways. Much like you say Urban's an offensive mind who thinks defensive woes can be hidden by scoring more, I often thought Tressel was a defensive minded coach who thought offensive woes could be hidden by holding your opponent to fewer points.
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
A bad-ass martial arts instructor used to tell us
"a good offense doesn't need a defense"
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Your instructor didn't watch much football. ..
An elite defense is absolutely needed in order to win NCs and urban meyer knows that better than anyone playing in the sec and dominating us in 2006, his defense won him that NC, not as much the offense
 
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I agree with most of this. I've said several times in the past two years that Meyer is the anti-Tressel in a lot of ways. Much like you say Urban's an offensive mind who thinks defensive woes can be hidden by scoring more, I often thought Tressel was a defensive minded, field position-stressing coach who thought offensive woes could be hidden by holding your opponent to fewer points.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
I'd argue as far as football is concerned, the opposite is true far more often.
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pnuts34 said:
Your instructor didn't watch much football. ..
An elite defense is absolutely needed in order to win NCs and urban meyer knows that better than anyone playing in the sec and dominating us in 2006, his defense won him that NC, not as much the offense
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well, it got us 23 wins in a row
and has done pretty well for Oregon until late

Another college bud used to yell "if they don't score, we don't lose"

I'm a defense oriented dude but offense is sexy (chicks dig offense)
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
well, it got us 23 wins in a row
and has done pretty well for Oregon until late

Another college bud used to yell "if they don't score, we don't lose"

I'm a defense oriented dude but offense is sexy
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Yeah, and like the cliche saying holds true "offense sells tickets, defense wins championships". And idk about you, but I want a tam that wins NCs. And urban knows how to do that, and has done so with very good defenses, and it shows with the amount of players he sent to the NfL from his dominant UF teams. All 23 wins in a row got us was 2nd in the big 10... Oregon has won no NCs, and and our win streak was nice, but we have a an Orange bowl to show for it(not bad, I'm not trying to act ungrateful, but we were an NC or bust year). Mich st is far from sexy but they have this years 2013 big 10 title, Stanford is far from sexy and they have the PAC 12 title...
 
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pnuts34 said:
Your instructor didn't watch much football. ..
An elite defense is absolutely needed in order to win NCs and urban meyer knows that better than anyone playing in the sec and dominating us in 2006, his defense won him that NC, not as much the offense
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Yeah.. his 2006 defense blew the Bucks out of the water in the NCG. It was ugly.. Troy was running for his life in that game.
The Buckeyes scored a whopping 14 points and 1 of the two TD's came on the First kickoff of the game. Then Ginn messed up his knee in his jubilation.
 
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C-busBuck said:
Yeah.. his 2006 defense blew the Bucks out of the water in the NCG. It was ugly.. Troy was running for his life in that game.
The Buckeyes scored a whopping 14 points and 1 of the two TD's came on the First kickoff of the game. Then Ginn messed up his knee in his jubilation.
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And then he won another NC with an underclassmen defensive backfield, a dominant LB in spikes amd another set of pass rushing DEs. Idk if it was all charlie strongs doing, though urban deserves a chunk of credit for that defense as well. Its hard for me to believe he can't duplicate that defensive success at OSU. Weve brought in a 2013 class of stud DBs, some very good pass rushers and DTs, but we're still looking for a significant LBer besides shazier. Maybe that guy could be johnson, Mitchell, or even booker or possibly McMillan. But it looks like pieves are in place, but the wrong schemes are used
 
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BUCKYLE said:
Something I think isn't being taken into account is the overall attitude/philosophy of the HC. I don't believe for a second that Urban doesn't care about the D, but I also think he believes that as long as they're winning, it's not something that requires his full attention. He's an offensive mind. I think he feels defensive woes can be fixed/hidden/compensated for by scoring more.
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We lost. Now we get to test that theory.
 
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