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That is the elephant in the room PSU fans cannot ignore when talking of their recruiting - now and into the future.jwinslow;858037; said:
It used to be that Penn State had a huge net into NJ, MD, VA and other East Coast states. That is no longer true.
It used to be that Penn State could depend on getting more than one or two Ohio boys into their classes. Zordich notwithstanding, in the future I see that as less and less likely as the MAC schools pick of some and TSUN Iowa, TN and others continue border raiding.
It used to be the case that Penn State could depend on the cream of the crop in PA, with only Pitt or ND as the primary competition. That is far from the truth these days. In fact, there is discontent among their fan base about the lack of positive relationships JoePa has had, for some time, with HS coaches across the state of PA.
None of the above is going to change till Joe retires in my view.
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cheetah
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The best thing Penn State ever did as a university was to join the Big 10, but the worst thing they did for their football program was to join the Big 10. Here they are the third best program, at best, but if they were in the Big East they would probably be a perennial top 10 team again. They have lost a lot of their identity and their buzz now that they are not the top team in their area, their area now being Big 10 region. Here they are just one of many. In Big East territory, they would be king and Louisville and West Virginia would be also rans.
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sandgk;858056; said:
And the longer Rich Rodriguez, Greg Schiano, and Ralph the Fridge stick around, the worse it's going to get. The re-emerging ND influence in NJ coupled with the inroads that USC has made there recently certainly can't help either.
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tlinc
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Bucky Katt;858078; said:
I agree. And even more than that, a lot of the kids in these states just seem really fickle. One year PSU is the hot school for the Maryland kids. The next year its Florida. Same with NJ. Rutgers is keeping some big guys at home. ND will always be a force with the big influence of the Catholic high schools where many of the top prospects are. It just seems like counting on these states is a recipe for really inconsistent recruiting results.
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Uneasy times on PSU recruiting trail
Frank Bodani
Article Launched: 06/11/2007 06:12:33 AM EDT
Jun 11, 2007
It's a disconcerting thought for Penn State football fans, no matter how you spin it. The Nittany Lions may end this recruiting season without landing any of Pennsylvania's very best high school recruits.
That can't be good, can it?
Has that ever even happened?
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Uneasy times on PSU recruiting trail
Frank Bodani
Article Launched: 06/11/2007 06:12:33 AM EDT
Jun 11, 2007
It's a disconcerting thought for Penn State football fans, no matter how you spin it. The Nittany Lions may end this recruiting season without landing any of Pennsylvania's very best high school recruits.
That can't be good, can it?
Has that ever even happened?
Cont...
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I moved your post once already to the TSUN recruiting thread...what part of that did you not comprehend?
TSUN recruiting. That is where you can talk about TSUN recruiting instead of every freaking thread in the recruiting forum.
You boys are getting on my nerves with this stuff now...
TSUN recruiting. That is where you can talk about TSUN recruiting instead of every freaking thread in the recruiting forum.
You boys are getting on my nerves with this stuff now...
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FWIW, it looks like Sweat's teammate Yancich is ready to decide:
Norwin star Shanahan unsure which sport to play in college - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Norwin star Shanahan unsure which sport to play in college - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
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BeanieWells28
ohio state national champs06 !!!!!!!!
yancich is going to msu. i said it first. dantonio is making a big difference with being at a bigger school.
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[FONT=Arial,Verdana,Sans-Serif,Georgia]Looking Ahead: Top Juniors[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Verdana,Sans-Serif,Georgia]By Chris Dokish, PSR Contributing Editor
High school football practice begins next month, and while the current recruiting attention has been on the 2008 class, the ?09 class becomes eligible for official scholarship offers in just a little over two months. The college programs that recruit Pennsylvania?especially Pitt, Penn State and West Virginia?already know who a lot of the top juniors are and, luckily for Keystone Recruiting readers, so do we.
The following 14 rising juniors currently project as possible national recruits. Of course, these aren?t the only potential elite prospects for the class since some players will advance quickly over the next year or two, while some have yet to play because of experienced talent at their school. But these 14 will almost assuredly be recruited heavily in the next year and a half.
We may as well start at the top, and the current favorite as the No. 1 prospect in the class is Cardinal O?Hara quarterback TOM SAVAGE. Blessed with great size at 6?4? and 220 pounds, he also possesses a strong arm, very good athleticism and excellent mobility. Savage is also very advanced for his age and has participated in camps and combines across the country, such as Miami and USC. He even has the genes as his brother, Bryan, played quarterback at Wisconsin before transferring to Coffeyville JC in Kansas, then finally settling in at Hofstra. Look for Savage to be one of the quarterback prospects in the country next season.
Not far behind Savage is Central Dauphin quarterback JUSTIN SHIRK. Built like a brick wall at a muscular 6?1? and 210 pounds, Shirk has the toughness, athleticism and size to be a high major linebacker ? if his arm wasn?t so good, that is. How good is his arm? Shirk won the AAA state javelin title as a sophomore by a whopping 16 feet. As a freshman, he set a national freshman record with a toss of 206? 5?. He has since bettered that mark.
So central and eastern PA will each have a top signal caller ? does the western part of the state have a similar talent? Quite possibly, but instead of the WPIAL, he comes from Erie. D.J. BARNEY had to wait in the wings last season as top five PA prospect Maurice Williams ran the show. But with Williams off to play wide receiver at Pitt, Barney is ready to show what he can do. Barney is bigger than Williams at 6?3? and 180 pounds, and he is a legitimate college quarterback prospect. His athleticism is top notch and he also has a very strong arm.
Shirk?s teammate at Central Dauphin, JACK LIPPERT, is also a name you may be hearing a lot of soon. The defensive end is already 6?5? with long arms. He?s currently 220 pounds but has the strong frame to easily add 20-30 pounds over the next few years. Good athlete who gives an all out effort, plus already displays good pass rushing technique.
Staying in the Harrisburg area, the most interesting prospect in the state may be JEREMIAH YOUNG of Steelton-Highspire. The super soph was dazzling in the 2006 season, rushing for over 2,000 yards. His quickness and moves are already legendary, but many programs may look at his level of play in Class A, and his listed size of 5?10? and 175 pounds, and pass. It may all come down to camps and combines for the talented Young. If he can prove that he can compete with bigger kids from bigger schools, a lot of offers should follow.
West Scranton coach Mike DeAntona has a prized prospect this season in tight end Hubie Graham, and it?s a good thing he got to know the college coaches well because he will see them again next year when offensive tackle ERIC SHRIVE is the target. Already a legitimate 6?7? and 285 pounds, this giant is athletic enough to run a 5.1 forty, very impressive for a player of his size. He also was the 2A district heavyweight wrestling champion as a freshman. Put it all together and you have a prototypical offensive tackle prospect.
The Philadelphia are has another top offensive lineman prospect, in ADAM CITKO of Archbishop Wood. Already a giant at 6?5? and 300 pounds, Citko is excelling in the tough Catholic League.
Another Philadelphia product that should expect a lot of attention is Penn Charter wide receiver Je?RON STOKES. At 6?1? and 180 pounds, he already has good size, but he should get even bigger as he fills out. Throw in good speed and athleticism with elite pass catching skills, and Stokes projects as one of the best wide receivers in the state. He has made the effort to go to camps and combines this summer to be seen so he is already on a lot of radars.
The WPIAL is always loaded with top talent and the 2009 class is no different. The same can be said of Gateway, as Terry Smith again will be busy entertaining coaches from all over the country. Three of his players project to be national recruits in 2009.
On offense, 6?0? 180 pound COREY BROWN combines good speed with off-the-charts athleticism and ball skills. There may be 6?4? receivers across the country that could get more offers because of their size, but few will be as good as Brown, who will still have plenty of offers to choose from. He will be joined on offense by talented offensive lineman COLIN RODKEY, already 6?4? 265 with a frame to add a lot more weight. Tough, aggressive and athletic, Rodkey could be one of the better offensive line prospects in the country. Last, but certainly not least, is 6?1? 205 pound linebacker DORIAN BELL. He can fly, has excellent athleticism, and is tough as nails. Bell also has the frame to add a lot more weight. He will definitely be one of the best linebacker prospects in the country in 2009.
Another linebacker in the area is very similar to Bell in size and speed. Penn Hills hasn?t had a national recruit in awhile but that should change with tackling machine DAN MASON. Currently 5?11 ?? and 215 pounds, so some may be put off by his size if he doesn?t grow more, but that would be a big mistake. Mason can really run and flies all over the field making big hits.
Aliquippa is another school that seems to have at least one national recruit every year and 2009 should continue that trend thanks to 6?5? 270 pound lineman JUANTEZ HOLLINS. The athletic Hollins is growing fast and the ability to be dominant on either side of the ball.
Finally, like Terrelle Pryor, TODD THOMAS of BeaverFalls entered the scene as a freshman basketball star. But also like Pryor, Thomas may prove to be even better at football. He now stands 6?4? and 180 pounds and which sport he chooses may depend on how tall he gets. If he gets to 6?7? or 6?8??which seems unlikely at this point?then basketball will probably be the sport he chooses. But if he doesn?t grow much more, his speed, athleticism and intensity should make him a top wide receiver or safety, where he was first team all-state as a sophomore. Read Keystone Recruiting?s Up Close with Todd Thomas feature, from this past May.
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[FONT=Arial,Verdana,Sans-Serif,Georgia]Looking Ahead: Top Juniors[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Verdana,Sans-Serif,Georgia]By Chris Dokish, PSR Contributing Editor
High school football practice begins next month, and while the current recruiting attention has been on the 2008 class, the ?09 class becomes eligible for official scholarship offers in just a little over two months. The college programs that recruit Pennsylvania?especially Pitt, Penn State and West Virginia?already know who a lot of the top juniors are and, luckily for Keystone Recruiting readers, so do we.
The following 14 rising juniors currently project as possible national recruits. Of course, these aren?t the only potential elite prospects for the class since some players will advance quickly over the next year or two, while some have yet to play because of experienced talent at their school. But these 14 will almost assuredly be recruited heavily in the next year and a half.
We may as well start at the top, and the current favorite as the No. 1 prospect in the class is Cardinal O?Hara quarterback TOM SAVAGE. Blessed with great size at 6?4? and 220 pounds, he also possesses a strong arm, very good athleticism and excellent mobility. Savage is also very advanced for his age and has participated in camps and combines across the country, such as Miami and USC. He even has the genes as his brother, Bryan, played quarterback at Wisconsin before transferring to Coffeyville JC in Kansas, then finally settling in at Hofstra. Look for Savage to be one of the quarterback prospects in the country next season.
Not far behind Savage is Central Dauphin quarterback JUSTIN SHIRK. Built like a brick wall at a muscular 6?1? and 210 pounds, Shirk has the toughness, athleticism and size to be a high major linebacker ? if his arm wasn?t so good, that is. How good is his arm? Shirk won the AAA state javelin title as a sophomore by a whopping 16 feet. As a freshman, he set a national freshman record with a toss of 206? 5?. He has since bettered that mark.
So central and eastern PA will each have a top signal caller ? does the western part of the state have a similar talent? Quite possibly, but instead of the WPIAL, he comes from Erie. D.J. BARNEY had to wait in the wings last season as top five PA prospect Maurice Williams ran the show. But with Williams off to play wide receiver at Pitt, Barney is ready to show what he can do. Barney is bigger than Williams at 6?3? and 180 pounds, and he is a legitimate college quarterback prospect. His athleticism is top notch and he also has a very strong arm.
Shirk?s teammate at Central Dauphin, JACK LIPPERT, is also a name you may be hearing a lot of soon. The defensive end is already 6?5? with long arms. He?s currently 220 pounds but has the strong frame to easily add 20-30 pounds over the next few years. Good athlete who gives an all out effort, plus already displays good pass rushing technique.
Staying in the Harrisburg area, the most interesting prospect in the state may be JEREMIAH YOUNG of Steelton-Highspire. The super soph was dazzling in the 2006 season, rushing for over 2,000 yards. His quickness and moves are already legendary, but many programs may look at his level of play in Class A, and his listed size of 5?10? and 175 pounds, and pass. It may all come down to camps and combines for the talented Young. If he can prove that he can compete with bigger kids from bigger schools, a lot of offers should follow.
West Scranton coach Mike DeAntona has a prized prospect this season in tight end Hubie Graham, and it?s a good thing he got to know the college coaches well because he will see them again next year when offensive tackle ERIC SHRIVE is the target. Already a legitimate 6?7? and 285 pounds, this giant is athletic enough to run a 5.1 forty, very impressive for a player of his size. He also was the 2A district heavyweight wrestling champion as a freshman. Put it all together and you have a prototypical offensive tackle prospect.
The Philadelphia are has another top offensive lineman prospect, in ADAM CITKO of Archbishop Wood. Already a giant at 6?5? and 300 pounds, Citko is excelling in the tough Catholic League.
Another Philadelphia product that should expect a lot of attention is Penn Charter wide receiver Je?RON STOKES. At 6?1? and 180 pounds, he already has good size, but he should get even bigger as he fills out. Throw in good speed and athleticism with elite pass catching skills, and Stokes projects as one of the best wide receivers in the state. He has made the effort to go to camps and combines this summer to be seen so he is already on a lot of radars.
The WPIAL is always loaded with top talent and the 2009 class is no different. The same can be said of Gateway, as Terry Smith again will be busy entertaining coaches from all over the country. Three of his players project to be national recruits in 2009.
On offense, 6?0? 180 pound COREY BROWN combines good speed with off-the-charts athleticism and ball skills. There may be 6?4? receivers across the country that could get more offers because of their size, but few will be as good as Brown, who will still have plenty of offers to choose from. He will be joined on offense by talented offensive lineman COLIN RODKEY, already 6?4? 265 with a frame to add a lot more weight. Tough, aggressive and athletic, Rodkey could be one of the better offensive line prospects in the country. Last, but certainly not least, is 6?1? 205 pound linebacker DORIAN BELL. He can fly, has excellent athleticism, and is tough as nails. Bell also has the frame to add a lot more weight. He will definitely be one of the best linebacker prospects in the country in 2009.
Another linebacker in the area is very similar to Bell in size and speed. Penn Hills hasn?t had a national recruit in awhile but that should change with tackling machine DAN MASON. Currently 5?11 ?? and 215 pounds, so some may be put off by his size if he doesn?t grow more, but that would be a big mistake. Mason can really run and flies all over the field making big hits.
Aliquippa is another school that seems to have at least one national recruit every year and 2009 should continue that trend thanks to 6?5? 270 pound lineman JUANTEZ HOLLINS. The athletic Hollins is growing fast and the ability to be dominant on either side of the ball.
Finally, like Terrelle Pryor, TODD THOMAS of BeaverFalls entered the scene as a freshman basketball star. But also like Pryor, Thomas may prove to be even better at football. He now stands 6?4? and 180 pounds and which sport he chooses may depend on how tall he gets. If he gets to 6?7? or 6?8??which seems unlikely at this point?then basketball will probably be the sport he chooses. But if he doesn?t grow much more, his speed, athleticism and intensity should make him a top wide receiver or safety, where he was first team all-state as a sophomore. Read Keystone Recruiting?s Up Close with Todd Thomas feature, from this past May.
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