tOSU's PA Recruiting

[BearBuck27]

Well, JT already wrapped up #3. If he could somehow manage to get #1 and #2...wow!

 

[tlinc]

One of the things I have been thinking about a bit recently is the snowball effect in recruiting and the inter-relationships between recruit's decisions.

For example, I really think that getting Sweat helps our chances with both Pryor and Hale because they see a top recruit from the same general area (Western PA) going to tOSU. For this reason, I think if Pryor commits to tOSU also, it increases our chances with Hale who would see another bigtime guy from his area commiting and be slightly more likely to come to OSU.

In addition, I think that a commit from Jenkins makes it more likely that Pryor comes here because it further reinforces the fact that this O line class will be special. Similarly, if Pryor hops on board before Jenkins makes his decision, it could have a positive impact on Jenkins who would see further proof that he could be a part of a really special class at OSU. In particular, this year's offensive class coming together seems to have a lot of great players who want badly to play with other great players.

 

[buzzy420]

One of the things I have been thinking about a bit recently is the snowball effect in recruiting and the inter-relationships between recruit's decisions.

For example, I really think that getting Sweat helps our chances with both Pryor and Hale because they see a top recruit from the same general area (Western PA) going to tOSU. For this reason, I think if Pryor commits to tOSU also, it increases our chances with Hale who would see another bigtime guy from his area commiting and be slightly more likely to come to OSU.

This would be good news for Penn State because it would also mean they could expect to get Beachum and McCarthy to join Zordich.

Or maybe this "theory" is just a lot of wishful thinking, and kids just make their own decisions.

 

[tlinc]

This would be good news for Penn State because it would also mean they could expect to get Beachum and McCarthy to join Zordich.

Or maybe this "theory" is just a lot of wishful thinking, and kids just make their own decisions.

Every kid will make a choice based upon what they think is best for them. But, I don't think you can discount recruiting momentum, friendships and relationships between recruits, relationships between parents of recruits, etc.

As far as one school building up a bit of recruiting momentum in a particular area, it's not just a theory, as it happens somewhat often. In the Big 10 alone you can look at:

-PSU brought in their best class in years based largely on the strength of their efforts in Maryland a few years ago. Guys followed the lead of Derrick Williams the year before and a big group of kids from Maryland who knew each other all ended up at Penn St. together (Antonio Logan-El, AJ Wallace, etc.).

-Iowa brought in one of their all time highest ranked recruiting classes a few years ago when a bunch of kids from Illinois who all knew each other all ended up there (Moeaki, Richardson, Doering, the QB whose name I can't remember).

-Illinois was able to get one of their best classes ever when they got a bunch of in-state guys who were friends to stay home together (Martez Wilson, Josh Brent, the big RB, etc.).

 

[tlinc]

This would be good news for Penn State because it would also mean they could expect to get Beachum and McCarthy to join Zordich.

Or maybe this "theory" is just a lot of wishful thinking, and kids just make their own decisions.

Also, just an FYI, but it seems like McCarthy is all but signed sealed and delivered to ND. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Beachum get an offer from the Buckeyes (who would probably have to then be considered the favorite) relatively soon due to the Bucks missing out on Zordich.

 

[super_mario]

PSU is taking a beating in-state. Just look at the Top 11 kids from PA, there is a likely possiblity that not ONE of them will wind up at PSU.

Terrelle Pryor- PSU has a chance, but how good is anyones guess
Shayne Hale- no chance at all
John Baldwin- no chance all
Andrew Sweat- no chance, committed to OSU
Luke Nix- no chance, basically a Pitt commit
Nick Moody- no chance, committed to FSU
AJ Alexander- no chance, committed to FSU
Christian Wilson- no chance, he's dropped them
Jarred Holley- small chance, but if/when ND offers it's likely over
Vaughn Carraway- small chance, but Michigan is the heavy favorite
Hubie Graham- no chance at all, he's looking at Pitt and OOS schools

That right there is basically Scout.com's PA Top 11, and PSU's best shot is at Pryor. Who is ND going to land to stop them from offering Holley, and quite frankly they need all the DB help they can get and then some. Carraway is considering PSU but they haven't offered him yet and many UM people feel like he's there's. Very good odds that PSU doesn't wind up with even ONE kid in the Top 11 of the entire state.

 

[CleveBucks]

Did michigan do much better last year? Didn't think so.

 

[BuckeyeLiger87]

Did michigan do much better last year? Didn't think so.

Agreed, Penn St. is holding onto Pa. talent this year the way Michigan did last year.

 

[HBGCrusader]

Who is ND going to land to stop them from offering Holley, and quite frankly they need all the DB help they can get and then some.

ND is setting themselves up to take in one of the top DB classes in the nation, with the possibility of landing 3 of these 4 4*'s: Rivals 100 prospect Robert Blanton is a lock (His father posts on IrishIllustrated and has said he'll commit shortly after his visit this month). They lead for Jamoris Slaughter (Offers from LSU, Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Alabama), are in Dan McCarthy's top 2 (Offers from LSU, Oklahoma, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan), are in Jeremy Brown's top 2 (Offers from UF, Miami, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and others).

I have been Jared Holley's biggest fan on II, begging for his offer but it sounds like he doesn't fit the mold of the bigger, more phyiscal DB's Corwin Brown is looking for in his defense. He'll most likely end up at Michigan if no ND offer.

 

[sandgk]

ND is setting themselves up to take in one of the top DB classes in the nation,

I don't see why you need shake your head HBG - supermario's point was that ND needs as much DB help as possible.

You respond that ND is looking to bring in a highly rated class of DBs - which they are doing because there is still a lack of talent in ND's secondary.

So, why the heck the shake? Your response proves mario's assessment is true.

 

[HBGCrusader]

I don't see why you need shake your head HBG - supermario's point was that ND needs as much DB help as possible.

You respond that ND is looking to bring in a highly rated class of DBs - which they are doing because there is still a lack of talent in ND's secondary.

So, why the heck the shake? Your response proves mario's assessment is true.

The head shake is because the poster said,"Who is ND going to land that will stop them from offering Holley" and simply responded that ND is doing a great job with CB recruiting. He basically made it sound like ND has no shot with the guys offered, so they might as well offer Holley (Which is nowhere close to being true).

As for your comment about ND's secondary, Weis has done a fine job recruiting DB's (Darrin Walls, Raeshon McNeil, Gary Gray, Harrison Smith and Sergio Brown). The front 7 recruiting has been average at best, but DB recruiting has been very good.

 

[cheetah]

Interesting list came out today from our friend's at The Pittsburgh Sports Report. It's a Top 50 list of PA players from 2003-2008. It was how good they were considered going into their freshman season, so it's funny that Posluszny was No. 50 and guys like Steve Slaton and Darrelle Revis didn't make the list. Mr. Sweat fares nicely and we also have Rory Nicol, Kyle Mitchum, and Devon Lyons. We have 4 in the top 50, while Michigan, who Pitt and Penn State has been upset with because they would come in and take their great players, has three. Only Penn State and Pitt have more, as they should since they recruit more there, and there are seven that are still undecided, including Pryor, Hale, and Wilson.

http://www.pghsports.com/PSR-News/s...full&id=1181057476&archive=&template=Keystone

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Yes, Michigan did much better last year. Michigan didn't go o-fer on their Top 11 kids in-state like Penn State is about to. In fact, according to Scout, Michigan landed 5 of their Top 11 in-state.

Penn State probably won't even land one Top 11 kid.

I know it's probably hard for you to count and all considering you are a Buckeye and all. In my best Carlos Mencia impression... dee-dee-dee...

5 > 0.

According to Rivals, you only got one of the top 11 and two of the top 18 in your state.

Now, my best South Park voice, "Timmeeeeeeh!".

 

[jwinslow]

merge

Yes, Michigan did much better last year. Michigan didn't go o-fer on their Top 11 kids in-state like Penn State is about to. In fact, according to Scout, Michigan landed 5 of their Top 11 in-state.

On the surface these numbers look good, but let's get to the meat of the issue, however.

MI recruits in midwest top-40 (scout): 11
............................that went to UM: 2

PSU recruits in east top-40 (scout): 11
......................... that will be PSU: 1-2 (guess)

Let's take a look at the '07 MI prospects pursued by elite schools:

Lost: RoJo (USC), Barksdale (LSU), Allen (FSU), Colasanti (PSU), Sawtelle (Tenn), Wash. (OSU), Nichol (OU).
Secured: Webb (Da U), Van Bergen*
Not included: Everson**, Threet, Helmuth,

* - While talented, Purdue was his 2nd best offer.
** - Could have been part of 'lost', but his recruitment was a bit questionable.

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Using scout as a measuring stick (understandably incomplete at times), UM failed to beat out elite schools for elite talent in their state.

Webb & Van Bergen do not do enough to change this trend last year. If PSU lands 1-2 kids in the East Top-40, I'd say the lack of success was fairly similar.

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The difference is UM recruits well enough to compensate for in-state woes (either recruiting or talent). PSU cannot do this.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Lost: RoJo (USC), Barksdale (LSU), Allen (FSU), Colasanti (PSU), Sawtelle (Tenn), Wash. (OSU), Everson (Iowa), Nichol (OU).
Secured: Webb (Da U), Van Bergen*
Not included: Everson**, Threet, Helmuth,

* - While talented, Purdue was his 2nd best offer.
** - Could have been part of 'lost', but his recruitment was a bit questionable.

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Looks like you included Everson anyways.