tOSU's PA Recruiting

[pnuts34]

I don't expect PSU to have the same type of sucess OSU has in-state since we do not have an in-state school like Pitt to contend with. ]

I know you all might laugh at me now but Cincinnati is a program in the big east on the rise. There never going to land five or six of the top ten in ohio, however they can get one or two. Most of their players come from either ohio or michigan. Ohio State can't get everybody in-state and uc is becomming a respectable program. Eventually uc is going to get a kid TOSU wants, just like last year when Cordale Scott picked Illinois over us. Uc recruits the cincinnati area hard and eventually one or two kids are going to decide to stay home. I live in cincinnati and can already see how much more respect they gey locally from fans and playerrs that in previous years was absent. But i think illinois might be are biggest competition in ohio. Zook has been recruiutng ohio like he coaches here. It seems like he has offered a ton of players in ohio. Both Cincinnati and Illinois are going to get better and thats going to make it harder on us. However with that said we get guys to the NFL more than both of those schools could dream of, and we compete for national championships year after year so we will get the top players in ohio, however a few might get away. Many of you might disagree, thats just my opinion.

I definitely agree with this statement! I live in Cincinnati as well, and UC is slowly getting on the rise. Someone mentioned that Pitt steals a number of recruits from Penn State, but UC does the same to tOSU. And UC finished with a better record than Pitt as well. There just isn't an excuse for PSU, they claim to be a top flight program, but yet can't keep their kids in state to back up the argument. And it's looking like this season they might be playing second fiddle to Pitt, a thing that would never happen in OH! Matter of fact in downtown Cincy they showed an tOSU game instead of telecasting a Bearcats game!

 

[itownbuckeye]

While Pitt probably has the better history, it could easily be argued that Cincinnati has been the better program over the past 5-10 years. Despite that I can't recall UC beating OSU for any recruit that OSU really wanted. I'm sure UC will steal one eventually if they keep progressing but I can't see it happening regularly the way it has with Pitt-PSU. The difference in the current state of the PSU and OSU programs is pretty evident when looking at these relationships. Both programs have what are basically mid-majors in-state, PSU regularly loses recruits to their mid-major while OSU has rarely, if ever lost a recruit to their mid-major.

 

[Jaxbuck]

While Pitt probably has the better history, it could easily be argued that Cincinnati has been the better program over the past 5-10 years. Despite that I can't recall UC beating OSU for any recruit that OSU really wanted. I'm sure UC will steal one eventually if they keep progressing but I can't see it happening regularly the way it has with Pitt-PSU. The difference in the current state of the PSU and OSU programs is pretty evident when looking at these relationships. Both programs have what are basically mid-majors in-state, PSU regularly loses recruits to their mid-major while OSU has rarely, if ever lost a recruit to their mid-major.

agreed

can anyone think of a recruit OSU wanted and could get in that decided to go to another instate school? I can't think of any.

Closest thing I can think of is Big Ben going to Miami because we would only recruit him as a TE :(.

 

[Hodgepodge]

agreed

can anyone think of a recruit OSU wanted and could get in that decided to go to another instate school? I can't think of any.

Closest thing I can think of is Big Ben going to Miami because we would only recruit him as a TE :(.

In 1990, during arguably John Cooper's nadir at OSU, OSU was having all types of trouble filling out its recruiting class, missing out on the likes of Deollo Anderson, Scott Stratton, Trent Zenkiewicz, Terry Killens, Brian King, Paul Barry, and Kijana Carter. One kid OSU was recruiting was Ray Callicut, a WR from New York state. When Gary Blackney left the OSU staff to become head coach at Bowling Green, he kept recruiting Callicut and convinced him to sign with them over OSU. As it turned out, Callicut could never get eligible and didn't end up playing for either team, but still that is the one player I can think of other than Roethlisberger that OSU wanted and for whom an in-state beat them.

 

[ePkOoTms]

Whoa, I guess I didn't realize that. You guys are definitely in a position to be throwing away recruits to OSU. We haven't landed any talent like that in years.

You've got to be kidding me.

Penn State doesn't feel obligated to throw a scholarship at every kid in-state just because they have 4* on a recruiting website. Big deal. You got 5* Dorian Bell...congratulations. You'll be back in '10 with a ship for Mike Hull who will be a 4 or 5* LB and you won't even have a chance with him. He'll collect his scholarship offers from places like tOSU, ND, UM, Pitt and so on and then commit to Penn State. I just don't see where all these talented players from Pennsylvania are that tOSU and others are supposedly getting.

Over many years and many coaches for tOSU I can think of one Pennsylvania kid worth mentioning after he went to tOSU; Eddie George. Terrelle Pryor & Dorian Bell may very well join that list but who else is there? Over many years with the same coach at Penn State I can think of a bunch of Penn State players from Ohio worth mentioning...Michael Zordich SR., Todd Blackedge, Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis, O.J. McDuffie, Chafie Fields, Jeff Hartings...

And for the team right now, DB Tony Davis has had a productive career, LT Gerald Cadogan has had a productive career, LB Andrew Dailey has yet to get his chance at LB but he will eventually show up at LB...still has 3 more years to do so. LB Michael Zordich JR. is an incoming freshman in '08, RB Brandon Beachum is an incoming freshman in '08 but is already at Penn State because he enrolled early. You probably don't even have 5 kids from Pennsylvania on your roster; you probably would if you include Terrelle Pryor and Andrew Sweat as well as the 2 '09 commits you got [3 if Corey Brown commits].

 

[ePkOoTms]

is your PSU infomercial over yet?

but yes, psu can simply turn away DL recruits because their 16 deep DL gave up 200 yards rushing to an injured chris wells and company at home at night with the self-proclaimed best LB core to ever be assembled.

I love it...an "injured" Chris Wells. Is that what you say to opposing fans for every game in '07? The kid has had an ankle issue since he was in H.S. I think you can stop dropping the "Chris Wells is an injured beast" line and thinking you'll join Penn State in the 2,000 yard club - won't happen. And since we are going by injuries and talking about the Penn State DL; DE Jerome Hayes was injured, DE Eric Latimore was injured, DE/DT & true freshman and expected contributor Devon Still was injured, DT Chimaeze Okoli was injured, DT Jared Odrick was injured, DT Tom McEowen was not fully recovered from knee surgery in '07, DT Abe Koroma was not fully recovered from foot surgery in '07.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

And for the team right now, DB Tony Davis has had a productive career, LT Gerald Cadogan has had a productive career, LB Andrew Dailey has yet to get his chance at LB but he will eventually show up at LB...still has 3 more years to do so. LB Michael Zordich JR. is an incoming freshman in '08, RB Brandon Beachum is an incoming freshman in '08 but is already at Penn State because he enrolled early. You probably don't even have 5 kids from Pennsylvania on your roster; you probably would if you include Terrelle Pryor and Andrew Sweat as well as the 2 '09 commits you got [3 if Corey Brown commits].

This completely ignores the fact that, as far as I can tell, Ohio puts out more D-1 talent than Pennsylvania. It's no surprise that Penn State has more Ohioans on their roster than Ohio State has Pennsylvanians.

 

[osugrad21]

I love it...

You can love it elsewhere.

Goodbye.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

You can love it elsewhere.

Goodbye.

 

[Blackburn]

In 1990, during arguably John Cooper's nadir at OSU, OSU was having all types of trouble filling out its recruiting class, missing out on the likes of Deollo Anderson, Scott Stratton, Trent Zenkiewicz, Terry Killens, Brian King, Paul Barry, and Kijana Carter. One kid OSU was recruiting was Ray Callicut, a WR from New York state. When Gary Blackney left the OSU staff to become head coach at Bowling Green, he kept recruiting Callicut and convinced him to sign with them over OSU. As it turned out, Callicut could never get eligible and didn't end up playing for either team, but still that is the one player I can think of other than Roethlisberger that OSU wanted and for whom an in-state beat them.

Wow, that's quite a memory you've got there. Jack Park?

 

[jwinslow]

Over many years with the same coach at Penn State I can think of a bunch of Penn State players from Ohio worth mentioning...Michael Zordich SR., Todd Blackedge, Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis, O.J. McDuffie, Chafie Fields, Jeff Hartings.

Splendid. I don't hear anyone ripping that era of PSU football. Where are you Carters & Enis' now? That was the first thing that came to mind this morning after reading your latest crowing.

I just don't see where all these talented players from Pennsylvania are that tOSU and others are supposedly getting.

A list of recent "scrubs":
LeSean McCoy
Nate Byham
Dorin Dickerson
Terrelle Pryor
Jonathan Baldwin
Lucas Nix
Brandon Beal
Shane Hale
AJ Alexander
Dorian Bell
Je'Ron Stokes

Yeah, no one wants that kind of talent. Those guys grow on trees

 

[Napoleonbuck]

Penn State doesn't feel obligated to throw a scholarship at every kid in-state just because they have 4* on a recruiting website. Big deal. You got 5* Dorian Bell...congratulations. You'll be back in '10 with a ship for Mike Hull who will be a 4 or 5* LB and you won't even have a chance with him. He'll collect his scholarship offers from places like tOSU, ND, UM, Pitt and so on and then commit to Penn State. I just don't see where all these talented players from Pennsylvania are that tOSU and others are supposedly getting.

Over many years and many coaches for tOSU I can think of one Pennsylvania kid worth mentioning after he went to tOSU; Eddie George. Terrelle Pryor & Dorian Bell may very well join that list but who else is there? Over many years with the same coach at Penn State I can think of a bunch of Penn State players from Ohio worth mentioning...Michael Zordich SR., Todd Blackedge, Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis, O.J. McDuffie, Chafie Fields, Jeff Hartings...

And for the team right now, DB Tony Davis has had a productive career, LT Gerald Cadogan has had a productive career, LB Andrew Dailey has yet to get his chance at LB but he will eventually show up at LB...still has 3 more years to do so. LB Michael Zordich JR. is an incoming freshman in '08, RB Brandon Beachum is an incoming freshman in '08 but is already at Penn State because he enrolled early. You probably don't even have 5 kids from Pennsylvania on your roster; you probably would if you include Terrelle Pryor and Andrew Sweat as well as the 2 '09 commits you got [3 if Corey Brown commits].

So what exactly are you trying to argue? That 20 years ago Penn State got some good players from Ohio? The fact of the matter is, Ohio State is picking up a lot of kids from PA with PSU offers, Michigan is getting kids from PA with PSU offers, Pitt is taking away instate kids with PSU offers, and other programs such as FSU and Georgia Tech are getting PA kids with PSU offers.

Yes PSU can point to some ok recruiting in Maryland(not exactly a top 5 state for football talent, but still pretty good), but that doesn't make up for their atrocious in-state recruiting. They got Shrive this year, and that's an excellent first step, though their prospects for the other elite in-state players don't seem good, especially with Hall and Bell already pledged to OSU, and Stokes committed to Tennessee.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Wow, that's quite a memory you've got there. Jack Park?

Hardly. I just have a knack for useless trivia.

 

[3074326]

We have seven PA kids on the roster, not including Sweat or Pryor, or any of the '09 commits. Just throwing that out there.

 

[BuckTwenty]

We have seven PA kids on the roster, not including Sweat or Pryor, or any of the '09 commits. Just throwing that out there.

... and it would have been 8 if Lyons hadn't transferred recently.

Bye Pookie. Don't let the door hit ya in the backside on the way out. There's no arguing with you.