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tOSU TV Viewing/ESPN GamePlan?

Tlangs;639483; said:
[let me preface these comments by saying I have DirecTV and will be drinking beer in approximately 7 hours and watching the game on my big screen.]

You got one thing right...it is ESPN gameplan. Is ESPNU and ESPN Gameplan two seperate entities...No, they are the same company. ESPN has the ability to show the game on gameplan like they did for the last 5 years. they aren't showing it to force time warner to carry the channel. ESPNU has had crap games all year, now they are showing the number one team in the country and only 10% of Ohio can see the game. They want people to pay a premium to watch programming such as George Mason's midnight madness which was on for 1.5 hours last night. Perhaps you would enjoy paying a premium to watch lacross for 6 consecutive hours. Time warner doesn't want people to pay for the chanel because it is a shitty channel. ESPN is trying to force their hand by placing a game with arguably the largest fan base in college football on a pissant (excellent choice of words Milli) chanel. I have had gameplan in the past and I venture to say that the number team in the country has always had their game shown on gameplan.

ESPN can lick my taint.
The only way that this station becomes less "shitty" or "pissant" is to offer real games...but when they do so, the fan base erupts??? PSU had a game on here earlier and this trend will continue. Then we'll have a 3rd ESPN channel that will ultimately have games on it and the majority of homes will have it. It's a slow process, but it IS a process that has happened over and over again. This bit about the #1 team in the country doesn't hold water either...because it's not true. If ESPN or ESPN2 has a game, then it's not on GamePlan. This is no different, the only difference is that many of you don't have this or haven't purchased it from your satellite provider.

I REALLY wonder what folks in regions outside of Ohio are going to do next year when the B10 channel comes out. It will likely be very hard to convince your local cable company to carry the B10 channel when you are in B12, SEC, or ACC country. You'll all have to switch to DirecTV at that point in order to get it.
 
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matcar;639580; said:
It gives people who already have the capability (sat subscribers and some cable operators) but who haven't purchased it to do so. Then, as momentum builds, it will be added to more providers. This is a simple business model, if you are arguing against it, you are arguing against how things have been done for a while now. So, while it doesn't happen overnight, it WILL happen. But I suppose you'd rather that they show old Brady Bunch episodes in hopes of gaining viewership... Yes, this is a sound decision and is just as they did with ESPN2, which I don't see anybody complaining about them carrying games now. You don't like it? Cancel all of your ESPN service or don't watch it....cut off that nose to spite your face all you want. Oh, and cancel that GamePlan next year too...and if you live out of region, you can enjoy not watching Bucks play much at all next year. This is the way the business model works, and there was no contract offering you the ability to watch every game, so they've not wronged anyone here.

matcar, with all due respect, I don't think anyone is arguing that ESPN has the right to telecast or not telecast the game. Let me frame an opposing argument from a completely unemotive position.

ESPN has an objective to maximize its revenues and profits. Fine. It uses its buying power and size to negotiate contracts with content providers, such as Ohio State, betting that we will be watching and that they can be profitable. Fine. It is due a fair profit on the risk it takes. Fine. ESPN also has the right to package its services anyway that it wishes. Fine. The expectation that ESPN will make Ohio State games available every week is not reasonable because it has promised to make only 10-15 games maximum available on GamePlan and that won't even accommodate the top 25 in a given week. Fine.

Let's say we agree on all these points.

First, ESPN guarantees that it will show "your favorites" in its advertising. Although this is a general claim, if Ohio State has the largest fan base in the country or even one of the top 5. So, it is reasonable to assume its games will be shown most of the time, which they are.

Second, however, the argument that ESPN could not show the game is not reasonable. It is telecasting the game and could find a way to show the game, at least online. No constraint issue is raised and it would be no problem for them to provide the feed profitably.

Third, an abuse of market position and possibly marketing ethics is taking place. ESPN is using the pent-up demand for the Ohio State game to try to force cable service providers to take a channel that they know nobody wants to watch. They are gathering content for lacrosse games, women's sports, and other niche markets that is not profitable to provide because no one wants to watch it, which the cable providers know.

Laudable though it may be to provide access to such coverage, college football fans should not be called on to subsidize it by paying cable fees that have been inflated by charges for an additional ESPN channel that nobody wants to watch most of the time.

Thus, many fans feel that ESPN promised that they will see their favourite college teams on GamePlan and they paid for the service, but that ESPN is now dividing that content and thereby forcing them (thorugh their cable providers) to buy yet another product in order to receive what they thought they paid for in the first place.

Let's be very clear about what is taking place. This is not about this game. ESPNU is an effort to get you and I to subsidize ESPN broadcasts of all kinds of mickey mouse sports. Why? Because sports administrators want more revenue and these sports are not profitable to broadcast.

If ESPN can get college football fans to subsidize these broadcasts, they can have more influence through the college sports departments and league offices. Suddenly, a Gene Smith has the women's lacrosse coach putting pressure on him to support an ESPN contract offer.

It's the same as all of the fishing, X-sports, and other minor sports stuff they show. It is relatively cheap content that is HIGHLY profitable to show.

But, make no mistake about what is happening here. This is a major effort to get a stranglehold on college sports and if you think the cost is high now, expect it to get worse in the future. We already subsidize all of the other sports to such an extent that most people can't afford to buy tickets anymore and even the price of licensed fan clothing is sky high.

In my opinion, college football fans have subsidized the other sports enough and ESPN should not be allowed to abuse its market position in this way.
 
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All emotionality aside; my fear is that the fluid nature of broadcast markets that change from week to week (specifically in NCAAF!) will make this practice commonplace. It's damn hard to follow how a contract will be honored (or not). BTW, I caved in & subscribed for the Dishnet package that covers the game. 10 years ago; I would have killed to receive game feeds!
Since I'll be watching in realtime; I'm not kicking holes into walls anymore.
(Subscription was cheaper than psychotherapy!) Either way; I hope that the future holds More options/not less. Maybe a Big 10 network & later an OSU network will be available.....
Until then, I also get all the crap that includes ESPNU!

GO BUCKS!!:oh: :io:
 
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matcar;639580; said:
You don't like it? Cancel all of your ESPN service or don't watch it....cut off that nose to spite your face all you want.

or i could boycott every company that sponsors espin... no wait.. doing that as of today :wink:. espn might be making an extra few bucks a month off subscriptions from 20 or so bw3's that hadn't purchased espnu yet. but this little stunt is going to cost home depot alone ~20k in materials over the next 2 years.

i strongly urge other buckeye fans to inform espn's sponsor's that you are not satisfied with espin's actions and intend to take it out on them.
 
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matcar;639593; said:
The only way that this station becomes less "shitty" or "pissant" is to offer real games...but when they do so, the fan base erupts??? PSU had a game on here earlier and this trend will continue. Then we'll have a 3rd ESPN channel that will ultimately have games on it and the majority of homes will have it. It's a slow process, but it IS a process that has happened over and over again. This bit about the #1 team in the country doesn't hold water either...because it's not true. If ESPN or ESPN2 has a game, then it's not on GamePlan. This is no different, the only difference is that many of you don't have this or haven't purchased it from your satellite provider.

I REALLY wonder what folks in regions outside of Ohio are going to do next year when the B10 channel comes out. It will likely be very hard to convince your local cable company to carry the B10 channel when you are in B12, SEC, or ACC country. You'll all have to switch to DirecTV at that point in order to get it.


Keep in mind that ESPN introduced ESPNU as a way for less popular sports (lacross, womens vollyball) and smaller conferences (MAC, directional conference u, etc) to get air time. Now that no one will pay for these less popular conferences and sports they decide to show the number one team in the country on their channel. this shows how the chanel has failed yet they are in a last ditch effor to save it. the sacrificed tons of money in advertising to show this game. They think it will benefit them in the long run. Hopefully it will not.
 
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How do you know that *nobody* wants ESPNU? I certainly want it, being a fan of COLLEGE SPORTS, rather than just college football and the Buckeyes.

With only 8% of the nation even having access to the channel, how does anybody even know that nobody wants it? An overwhelming majority of the country has never even watched ESPNU. Besides, once ESPN gets wider distribution for the platform, you can safely assume that a more robust programming lineup would follow. Somebody brought up the example of ESPN2 - does anybody else remember the kind of lame BULLSHIT they used to show on that channel?

Right now, the ESPNU platform is niche programming in a sense. But so aren't half of the other channels on standard or digital cable. Do any of you think that Slueth - with its frequent MacGyver reruns would outdraw ESPNU? Why isn't anyone bitching about paying for that channel?
 
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jlb1705;640038; said:
With only 8% of the nation even having access to the channel, how does anybody even know that nobody wants it? An overwhelming majority of the country has never even watched ESPNU.

The fact that only 8% of the nation has the channel proves that no one wants it. The demand just isn't there, fella.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;640388; said:
We're still talking about this :confused:
Why not? The season isn't over. Anyone know what channels the Illinois and Northwestern games will be on? :tongue2:

Be very afraid. And keep calling and asking about ESPNU. Tell them you don't want We, Oxygen, the jewelry channel, 3 other home shopping channels, and whatever the hell else is taking up space, but you want ESPNU, ONN, and the Big Ten Channel today.
 
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